Funny email in my inbox this morning
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This guy I know is 6’ 2”, so good looking, and is such a great athlete. Me on the other hand, not so much.
We both work for AT&T - this is so unfair.
Dude, don't be jealous of me, I can't help it, I was born this way
For all that is holy, please friggin read thoroughly and completely. And you should be smart enough to understand and apply the context of my original post.
Here is my direct quote you are referencing:
“I never said I was special but maybe just smarter and better at my job than you.”
Again, I was specifically referencing my abilities against one individual (the schmuck with the real superiority complex that you feel like defending for some strange reason). My superiority reference was not against the entire population at AT&T, not against the population of RTOers, and not even against the audience that visits this forum - just the schmuck.
I was also defending my position that I (and by extension the other high quality remote resources you referenced) can be effective WFH. I didn’t say or imply in any way that I was better than anyone other than the schmuck.
Help me understand what about this you disagree with and why someone who WFH isn’t fully capable of doing so (doesn’t this describe you too as we’re “in the same shoes”)?
You literally said you were “smarter and better” to justify you being remote.
Reading comprehension isn't quite “smarter and better” now is it?
If I were in your shoes (and I am), I’d stop sh-t-talking and keep your head down. The writing is on the wall. If you’re non-collaborative OR in market support OR sales, you might be OK. I’m not. I’m already preparing for the worst. Have been since 2023. I’ve also seen some of the brightest in an adjacent org get surplussed because their remote status which still blows my mind. Experts in their areas. Huge losses.
Be grateful. Don’t let this superiority sh-t karma be your end.
“High and mighty in your NVW world)”
I’m not high and mighty, just defending myself against the schmuck who said I was effectively useless cause I WFH. Funny how you read only what you want to. Lots of that going around these days.
And Honey - you seem so happy for others to feel some pain. I hope you don’t get laid off.
This guy I know is 6’ 2”, so good looking, and is such a great athlete. Me on the other hand, not so much.
We both work for AT&T - this is so unfair.
I guess I’ll have to get over it.
High and mighty in your NVW world, I see. You truly think you’re that much better than anyone else and THAT’S why you’re still virtual? Honey, they just haven’t gotten to you, yet. Trust.
I’ve seen the best of the best remote workers get surplussed last month. Your day is coming.
I’m over 50 miles and still have to RTO 5 days.
" You can’t tell me the person who does the same exact job I do, with the same rating I have, doesn’t have to move to Dallas/Atlanta to RTO, while I do. Please, try to justify that for me."
OK, fair enough. This is a different situation. I understand being upset if some on the team were given the "move" ultimatum, and some were not. I too would want to understand why some doing the same job, on the same team, were not given the same "move" ultimatum, when some were.
The team I am talking about is still dispersed all around the country, and have not been given a DAL or ATL move ultimatum. Most of the team has to RTO to an office that they live near. Around 10% is NVW, simply because there is no office within 50 miles of where they reside. They have to report to an office once a month.
Life just ain’t fair.
Someone’s team wins and others loses.
Someone gets laid off and others don’t.
Someone gets cancer and others don’t.
Keep things in perspective and just be friggin’ nicer to eachother (even to the “first” and “ask your manager” poster).
I would “feel better” if there was equal treatment. Either 100% RTO or 100% virtual, by org.
You can’t tell me the person who does the same exact job I do, with the same rating I have, doesn’t have to move to Dallas/Atlanta to RTO, while I do. Please, try to justify that for me.
We have several people in our office (different orgs) that are NVM because they relocated during the pandemic, but the rest of their team who stayed in their home state are RTO 5 days a week. I am in Chad's org and unless your work on a customer site or have a job accommodation we have been 100% RTO since summer of 2023.
I would “feel better” if there was equal treatment. Either 100% RTO or 100% virtual, by org.
You can’t tell me the person who does the same exact job I do, with the same rating I have, doesn’t have to move to Dallas/Atlanta to RTO, while I do. Please, try to justify that for me.
“…while some select few get to stay virtual..”
so seriously though… it would somehow make you feel “better” about your own situation if the few NVW were laid off?
An embarrassment to who exactly? Someone’s just upset their “special accommodation” is under the spotlight and now at risk.
"To the pathetic and sad angry RTO guy that is clearing his cache and upvoting/ downvoting....just stop it. It is SO sad. You're an embarrassment."
I wouldn't be surprised if this is a troll arguing with themselves to drive an engagement metric.
Funny you think this is only “one or two” people. My entire org feels it’s unfair they have to move across the country while some select few get to stay virtual. It’s been a constant topic even in leadership town halls for months now.
To the pathetic and sad angry RTO guy that is clearing his cache and upvoting/ downvoting....just stop it. It is SO sad. You're an embarrassment.
I am one of the NVW. I do not feel that I am special. I happen to live such a distance from ANY office that I could report to, that I am classified NVW and still here...as I guess I am still needed by my team. I do still have to report once a month. I certainly don't complain about that, given what others are having to go through. I AM sensitive how everyone else has been affected by all of this. If they end up laying me off in the next few months because I am NVW and won't move, so be it. Onward.
I DO NOT FOR THE LIFE OF ME understand why people would be mad at ME for this situation. Actually, I am reasonably sure it's the same one or 2 jack wagons here.
To the other NVW person here saying "...It's also d-mb for me to go to an office full of people who I don't deal with..." (honestly I think someone may just be saying this to get others riled up, but if legit)---that is exactly what they are doing to everyone. So show a little bit of understanding and compassion for others.
“Says the moran who comes to this forum for information…”
Nope - not to get info but to help guide one or two of you conspiracy theorists get out of the deep end.
“I know how to read M0r0n. But I also know not to take direction and guidance from a post on this forum.”
Says the moran who comes to this forum for information…
“Buddy, the entire point of this post is to tell you that you will no longer be classified as NVW in a few months”
I know how to read M0r0n. But I also know not to take direction and guidance from a post on this forum. As I’ve mentioned multiple times, I’ll remain NPW until AT&T decides otherwise and not by some Layoff.com poster who just finished scratching his ba11s.
I may or may not be in the ~10% NPW universe - we’ll see.
“Are you deserving of NVW just because you live in the middle of nowhere?”
OMG - you really are just a juvenile a$$wipe.
And yes, I’m deserving of the NVW until AT&T decides otherwise.
Have fun getting fired for being such a d1-k.
Waaaaaahhhhh NVW got her feelings hurt. Grow up, leave mommy’s basement and RTO like everyone else or leave. NVWs are no longer needed here. Have fun getting fired for being so worthless.
“ And you are deserving of your job title just because you RTO?”
Are you deserving of NVW just because you live in the middle of nowhere? Lol #DallasBound
Have fun getting fired for being such a d1-k. Nothing special or irreplaceable about ANY RTO.
And you are deserving of your job title just because you RTO? I’m still classified as NVW and will continue working in that capacity until AT&T decides otherwise (not based on your dim witted view).
Buddy, the entire point of this post is to tell you that you will no longer be classified as NVW in a few months, you are the imbecile here. Like the other guy said, you aren’t special, and neither is anyone else lol.
Nobody wants to RTO, and the people who have been already aren’t happy about it. You think they enjoy seeing their equal co-workers getting a free pass while they suffer. I’m NVW too, and I KNOW it’s coming to an end.
Have fun moving to Dallas to RTO 5x8 like everyone else. Nothing special or irreplaceable about ANY NVW.
“Literally everyone being told to RTO can say the same thing. Butthurt NVW’s so out of touch.”
And you are deserving of your job title just because you RTO? I’m still classified as NVW and will continue working in that capacity until AT&T decides otherwise (not based on your dim witted view).
As I hinted at, you really are an imbecile aren’t you!! I feel sorry for you and the team that has to work with you.
Now go grab another beer and go back to downstairs to the bedroom in your Mommy’s basement (or were you able to afford that bedroom beer fridge?).
Get help!
Almost nobody’s job function is tied to the office they are told to report to lmao, why do you think so many people are pi---d off about RTO? Because there is no real point of being in ANY office.
Do you have some other set of measures we should use other than where my desk chair is located?
Literally everyone being told to RTO can say the same thing. Butthurt NVW’s so out of touch.
- My job responsibilities and deliverables are not tied to the location I work in.*
This is the same scenario for 75%+ of people being told to RTO. Again, do you think you’re special? You’re about to find out the hard way that you are not.
“Explain how this is incorrect? You do the same job as someone who’s FTO, you think you’re special?”
Here we go again - not sure why I should be expected to disprove a claim you made but offered no explanation of justification of your position. P
I never said I was special but maybe just smarter and better at my job than you. My job responsibilities and deliverables are not tied to the location I work in. I’ve been WFH driving network designs for very successful programs for over 15 years. I’ve relied on feedback from my supervisors, peers, internal clients, and successfully meeting my timeline and design quality objectives to allow me to assert my position. Do you have some other set of measures we should use other than where my desk chair is located?
Now you, on the other hand, just made a broad and bold statement with no rationale or substantiating perspective and then dropped the mic and patted yourself on your back. There is plenty of research out there substantiating that WFH can be very successful and efficient for both employees and employers even if AT&T wants to significantly minimize this.
You just left us with your na--d claim and expect others to educate you. I’d suggest you do some more reading and research before making such egregious claims.
Be well!
You’re Welcome but that is just incorrect.
Explain how this is incorrect? You do the same job as someone who’s FTO, you think you’re special?
NVWs shaking over this post scrambling to defend their existence.
“ All NVW must RTO to actually work. This shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. You can’t think you have the same job title and function as the rest of your team and not RTO. Thank you.”
You’re Welcome but that is just incorrect.
All NVW must RTO to actually work. This shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. You can’t think you have the same job title and function as the rest of your team and not RTO. Thank you.
I KNEW this was just the petty and angry guy with the strange obsession with anyone still coded NVW... as if they personally are the cause for all of his woes. So sad and pathetic.
He was quiet for a while, but I guess with the 5-day requirement imminent, he's ramping it back up.
For those of you that are actually angry with those still on payroll and coded NVW through no fault of their own....really??? You don't think that's misplaced at all?
And understand- I don't dispute or disagree that it's been stated there will be far less NVW moving forward, and I think that will probably be so. But as usual, it will depend on what you do and in what organization. And if/ when they lay us off, so be it. Just lay me off, pay me my severance and I'll be on my way.
My org ELIMINATED and surplussed all NVW so consider yourself lucky to still have a job. Or not I guess. Severance is a nice alternative.
Stank clearly said by 2025 less than 10% will be virtual and they would be non-collaborative roles. I still have the email. It was when the hubs were announced in mid 2023.
When that d-bag digs in his heels, he’s all in.
“ It's also d-mb for me to go to an office full of people who I don't deal with.”
This is me entirely since July 23. Completely d-mb. We were FTW pre covid due to the nature and hours of the job. It just didn’t make sense. Now they still expect the hours, with no flex in time (thanks 8 in office mandate), so it’s negatively impacting operations. Can’t handle requests while I’m commuting, so they lose that time and I’m not sitting in an empty office till the wee hours then driving home to get 2-3hrs of sleep just to drive back in. It is seriously impacting operations.
A virtual worker is like a virtual girlfriend!
I’m RTO and work with several top notch highly technical NVW (all individual contributors with no direct reports). I really hope T does not force them to RTO as we will lose more great talent.
We’ll see…….
Stanky is so backwards, I bet he sits when he pees and stands when he shhts