I was just wondering if it's common here. When someone puts in their notice at Ford, does management ever try to get them to stay with a better offer on the spot? I haven't seen it happen to anyone on my team, but I know some other companies do it. I'm just curious if it's even a thing they consider.
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@t6 wait hold up. I did not mean to use that flag/emoji
Bruh
@rx last time I took a risk they started committing fraud and illegal crimes without anyone saying “this is wrong”. The ford mafia family still controls Gotham. May the dark knight rise once again 🙏🙏🇨🇳
@qq Sometimes gambles pay off, you only live once, take a risk once in while, you might be surprised.
If you took it good luck. Big target on your back for a layoff. Hopefully it was part of a larger plan to move no matter what. Why be so reckless with your career? But you do you.
It would never be on the spot, too bureaucratic for that. Sometimes you will get a counteroffer before you quit, in my case I had another job lined up that simply paid more, my manager liked me, gave me a nice raise and bonus to stay.
@h0 Not another whale or toaster story, c’mon man.
@gh People need to understand the lore.
In the summer of 1924, west of Virginia, just beyond the gate, there was a mine. Not impressive, not glamorous, but promising of being grand.
Veins of copper and tin ran shallow there, enough to keep hands busy and enough to prove that raw effort could become real value, even if the people doing the work never saw where it ended up.
This made it suitable for entry-level mining and bronze bar production. There was no furnace in West Virginia. To finish the work, you had to cross the state to the East, separated during the Civil War, to the guarded halls near the bank, where heat, oversight, and iron rules turned ore into bars and bars into tools. Beside that furnace stood the anvils, where labor finally became something usable.
For a long time, the place was loud and human. People gathered near the bank, bartering ore in the open, shouting offers, weighing copper against tin, building names and reputations one trade at a time. Nothing was instant. Nothing was anonymous. Every exchange carried a name, a memory, and consequences. It was inefficient, but it taught how systems actually work. This process was the first step into the entire production economy.
The miners themselves were invisible to most end consumers, yet the entire system depended on them. What was pulled from the ground here powered places and people the miners would never see. The work was slow, physical, and manual, but without it, nothing else functioned.
Since February 1992, the hills began filling with high-tech coal mines and a centralized ore exchange, reaching operational stability by 1995. Before 1991, the land north of the West Bank was just open ground. After its introduction, it became a centralized hub, fully equipped with state-of-the-art tools, automated services, and instant clearing. The output stayed. The friction disappeared.
Kids today have it easy. With effortless access and automation, people do not even need to speak to one another anymore. Behind the scenes, however, the system still runs on strict rules and quiet enforcement by the people, for the people. Ledgers never sleep. Ident and access management is controlled. Good faith efforts, trust, must be accompanied by strict monitoring and verification.
The modern exchange works. Value moves silently, efficiently, and without faces.
But remember, horses are empaths. They sense pressure before collapse. The same is true of systems built by people who recognized unseen labor, strict rules, and the value of friction. It was never a flaw. It was a safeguard, and a blueprint for the future.
Don't waste time asking Ford for a counteroffer. Just pack up your stuff and move to West Virginia and began your new career working as a Coal Miner making 20% better pay than you did at Ford.
There used to be a program for this, I forget what it was called and don't know if it's still around, sometimes they use it for newer hires in a more competitive wage.
@cb lol
@bd I’ve seen them we-ponize capabilities. Ford does not discriminate (according to their website)
So been there done that. My advise: if you are looking at a big jump because your experience wasn't moving you along (it happens, there have to be open reqs to climb - and by the way MANY managers are loathe to let the good ones go.) If that's you take the outside gig. If you're pretty content, you have the chops for the promotion and you just want to make progress and not get overlooked, take the counter. A long time ago a manager told me, "You have to take ownership of your own career". Meaning if you just sit back on autopilot, not much is gonna happen.
@b3 I’ve seen them we-ponize disabilities, nothing surprises me anymore. Company is full of l-wlifes, to anyone still there, don’t let them get away with it.
It's very common practice to never take these anyway. They may make you an offer, but you have now shown you are a flight risk and you'll be the 1st to go. only take one of your prime offer didn't work out and you need a little more time to wok things out. If you do happen to get one and accept it, the clock is ticking for you. Anyone that thinks any different is kidding themselves and is oblivious to how business works and how managers think.
Don’t try it. Just leave. Ford su-ks and even they were to match or raise your offer, you would have a target on your back. Just take the better offer and get out of that toxic place.
@b3 $600 × 2,080 = $1,248,000 per year
Damn son, 22 years old and being called “Subject matter expert” out the gate swinging? I’d be hating too
@av Is this such a terrible place or did you make it one for yourself?
@op I ignored my original offer from ford and let it expire and they came right because, apparently the explosive offer (time limit) was just a fear tactic to make you make an emotional decision. Secondly, when I quit, I was offered a promotion on the spot. Hope this helps… oh btw they lie and commit fraud from the jump and misrepresent terms from the beginning. Lot of legal discrepancies that I’m shocked were handled carelessly without fear. Perhaps they thought I was vulnerable and couldn’t defend myself so they were reckless. Who knows
@aw Sozz bozz, back to da gulag I go
I had an offer from a rival OEM back early in the pandemic. I was straight forward with my leadership. They couldn't completely match the salary, but I got a promotion plus 30% on my salary.
Always remember: there was a reason for you in the first place to look elsewhere. Why change your mind now?
Why? You got a better offer….. Push the button resign button, don’t take the exit survey, and leave. You don’t even need to tell your boss. They don’t care.
No counteroffers, since most of the time managers are trying to reduce NA white collar force by attrition. At Ford, the name of the game is "savings". Managers are only interested in finding "savings", even if it means returning to the horse and buggy way of doing things.
Never heard of it. I knew of 2 who had 10% pay raise offers from another OEM and Ford would not match. They only care about the money. Never mind they were both excellent young engineers. Look out for your self. You owe Ford nothing with no pension.
Even if Ford makes a counter offer, never take it. By saying you are leaving, you are viewed as disloyal and will eventually be forced out because now your pay will be very high for your grade- these are sometimes the first to go when management is looking to cut costs and do layoffs.
They do, but the counter offer rarely matches the offer from the outside company.
They do, but you really have to be above mediocre. Like actually above mediocre, not the "hey look at me :) I deserve this :) :)"
No, why would they? For every one of you complaining about your job, there are 3-5 people ready to take it.
See ya.. next