Heard through the grapevine that the policies around age based employment protections have been updated and that employees with NRE status will no longer have that protection. Has anyone else heard of this?
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What is the PIP percent in BTC?
It seems that a BTC engineer can make many mistakes and need constant coaching can be safe from PIP but the HC10 guy that makes corrections is a PIP target.
When we PIP too many checkers/correctors, the mistakes will add up to a Valdez level event.
There is pressure to "early identify" those who need PIP, well before age 45, so there is plenty of time to PIP them before they hit the 52 to 55 age range. If you are not "growing in your job" and are simply doing the same thing as prior years, then you are dropping in the rank group and headed to a PIP/PIL. You contributions must increase with experience or the job can be reassigned to a younger employee or to BTC with cost savings.
I know many 35 yo (CL 27) people who accomplish more than 45 yo (CL 29). These CL 29 must be PIL/PIP, because they were over-promoted (and now overpaid). Time to Go
@qb goto/mlrp
@n0, if it out there in black and white, please provide a link. Your claim sounds unlikely, but prove us all wrong please.
You should read the HR pension policy, NRE is explained in black and white in the policy document on the internal website. Why the same person keeps posting this nonsense is sad. Do your job well and you will be fine.
@mb What’s getting old (literally) is all you 50 and 60-somethings whining about the same three things on a constant basis.
Your shtick is getting old. You alternatively claim to know all about how d-mb our US employees are but play as though you’re not actually a BTC employee rage posting on this site every night. Your unmistakably similar posts show up on every thread on this site, probably getting posted in between your primary job of copy/pasting job requests into Copilot and hoping nobody notices.
Yawn.
Again - if they’re so dang good at what they do, and if the work really is as easy as you say, then why is the rework rate so high?
@g4 Your problem is that you think you have special talents that are necessary for performing complex technical and business tasks. You probably don’t.
I’m not sure where your employer is sourcing talent from in India, but in my experience, their analysis capabilities (think compressible flow CFD or reducing large amounts of test data) matches or exceeds what all but the best U.S. based firms can perform. They’re also excellent at building niche computing applications using open sources tools at low-cost.
Seems like in India, as in the U.S., EM is scraping the bottom of the barrel.
@g8 Reads like A.I. slop.
I’ve watched 1 person come in as a contractor. Brought on permanent. Been on a free ride for 15 yrs. Never produce any impactful initiative. But is excellent I mean what’s above excellent on craving themself as a victim to the competition. While the LT falls for it. I don’t know what it says about LT. seen 5 LTs fall for it.
If it’s really all that simple and uncomplicated then you’re making the case against BTC even more. If they can’t get easy stuff right how can we trust them with more?
@cf Tried reading your post. It’s so poorly written that I just couldn’t get through it.
Seems like you were a nightmare to be around. Probably why they pushed you out.
@f3 Not being targeted = being protected bruh.
All this talk about certain groups of people having special protections sounds a lot like…DEI? I thought you guys weren’t into that…hypocrite much?
@fm TL;DR
Please tell all of us why you hate people in their 60s?? Pretty abnormal, twisted and sick!! Your and many other younger demented, obsessed with people in their 60s are jealous of the dedication it took for us to put in the years because you were fortunate to be able to dedicate yourself to a borrowed thought and put it into print. Your hope is fir all of us 60s to get the h*Ll out of your way so you don't have anyone to expose how lazy you are by comparison to the old useless people you envy. You are truly useless and want a cover up. It is inevitable that Karma shall visit you because you will be that accused worthless POS you despise someday because aging isnt a choice! I hope you get what is due when you get there.
@c5+1kkvsfx65 No man this is Monopoly. XOM owns Boardwalk and Park place and all the slots. You are going to jail and don't collect $200 🤣
@e2, I did not know that you learned the business by yourself.
@e2 It’s less that people want to be protected and more they don’t want to be targeted their last few years. Supervisors and managers were able to put the NRE folks in the lowest category in order to save some of the younger team members’ ranking because they knew the NRE people were safe. Now, without that protection, people feel don’t feel safe with the targeting that previously would not have forced them out of the company.
If you think that you are irreplaceable, then you cannot be promoted.
This seems reasonable, why should they be protected? Should be fair game like the rest of us. Far too many old people here milking the company and added to there already large nest eggs
Either come and do a days work, or call it a day
@dn Yeah, the old saw of “people in India can’t do anything right without me.”
Guys, you do not do highly involved technical tasks that require deep subject matter expertise. The most technical thing you do is create/edit overlay specs for your vendors and skim data before handing it off to a third-party consultant who does the actual work. A lot of that can be automated or outsourced. Sorry/not-sorry about bruising your ego.
When all the experienced checkers are gone, those major errors by BTC will not get corrected.
Because we are forbidden to track or trend the major errors from BTC, management has no clue about the risk they are enabling.
Common sense tells us that when you pay 1/10th for a service, do not expect accuracy.
This will all add up to a Valdez level event. EM Executives can see the reef in front of the ship and are pushing the throttle harder.
Mixed feelings.
No one should ever get a free ride for a paid job. And unfortunately, company good will cannot be ‘stored up’ in the younger years - a reminder to all the early career folks on this thread. Don’t sacrifice more than you are willing to see returned in this year’s performance results.
On the other hand, I read this to mean that the company has determined that age discrimination suits will not hold up (or an occasional settlement will be offset by all the pension savings.). This shouldn’t make anyone feel good.
I would argue that 3 years protection from firing for a 15-30 year career is a small ask by a company (except for extreme circumstances)….but I also think the company shouldn’t need a ‘rule’ to know this. And employees shouldn’t have some idea that they are indestructible those last 3 years and can do whatever they want.
@aw this didn’t happen
We are all just year to year contractors. There is no more retirement finish line or guarantees. No loyalty or reward for years of hard work and service. I and others were pushed out at ages 51 thru 57. No one in our groups made it to 60. We were constantly harassed and asked if we wanted to accept the PIL before retirement the retirement age of 55. I quit because I was not going to pass my dpc and or pip. My manager was out to get me at all costs. I resent the talk about we the older not earning our pay because I was the only one who knew how to design and innovate for the projects we had. The newbies had no idea about drilling wells, reactor design, process design or field instrumentation. The new hires are clueless and lost. I am working my magic for another major middle eastern oil company. I am consulting part time for them at triple the exxon pay. I only work 20 hours a week remotely. Exxon su cked at the end for me because I was placed under a young arrogant supervisor that knew nothing technical. I hated the last 5 years I was stuck at exxon.
@br Why TF do you still want to show up at an office in your 60s?
If you’ve been with the company long enough to be RE then you should have at good $3M - 5M put away and own at least two homes. What’s the plan, work until you drop?
Most of you are old enough to remember board games. This is Life, not Candy Land.
@OP Good. It was just a shield for doing nothing and collecting a paycheck.
Plenty of people kept doing their jobs and did them well, but most felt they had “paid their dues” and just checked-out and retired in place.
Also, I don’t care what anyone says, but the pace and extent of technological disruption is something that people in their 50s and older just aren’t handling very well.
TIA for the downvotes.
We shall see. Would like to get to 60 but this place is nuts and folks have lost their minds.
Correct, “NRE protection” is gone
Just a few months before I turned 55, I was PIPd and I am sure that was not just a coincidence, it was deliberate. Before I learned that I am on the PIP list, my leadership harassed me which made it a lot easier for me to elect for PIL. I think that they were trying to pull all tricks they could possibly do and then decided to remove the NRE protection.
NRE “protection” from ages 52-55 was essentially removed last year. Anyone, any age can be NSI and on the 3rd NSI in a 5 year period the employee will not get the PIP choice. They will get the PIL. If you are between 52 and 55, and get NSI, then you will be placed on a DPC - I forget what that stands for - which the employee is practically guaranteed to pass. But those old “protections” are not there anymore.
@an NRE is Near Retirement Eligible, which means you are at least age 52 and have 12 years of service with the company. This window (ending when you are retirement eligible at 55) means that you are not subject to being PIP'd.
What does NRR mean? I have been retired for 17 years. I just follow anything and all Exxon news.
@a8 What is DCP?
it is done I was piped after dcp and pushed out at 54.