Thread regarding SAP layoffs

Guys , I was laid off twice in SAP only because I told Germany that things are done wrongly. But both time I found different teams . I was always learning and updating my skillset . Even now if sap lets me go I will find something inside or outside . So just keep learning and updating ur skillsets . Sap is a government company , they get maintenance revenue like taxes every year . So the upper management does what it wants. Only we can protect ourselves . The maintenance stream is enough to pay salaries and bonus for everyone in Waldorf and rot office .they decide everyone’s fate from there .

@nz This India forever person has some serious problems and should seek professional help.

@jt At it again. I see your name and am compelled to respond. You need to seek help urgently.
When will a moderator consign you to the waste bin permanently?

@fs thanks for the great info

@jm exactly. They dangle the Sword of Damocles over us all every day, and have the audacity to keep telling us "just focus on doing your work the best you can" like you're not human or have any personal stake in whether you keep your job or not.

This place is now in a toxicity spiral and it's hard to see a way out at this point. I'm all for having a CK-DA-GVB-JG-TS clear out, but even so the damage has already been done to our products, our reputation, and our employee engagement. Only one way to go from here, and it's down.

@jm Focus on the reorgs in many organizations that took place before March. They happened only to promote certain people and save them from layoffs. Anyone who had the short end of the stick in these reorgs can be expected to be let go. I hope they get rid of the immigrants first. There are too many Indians at SAP. They should go back to milk cows in their fatherland.

Really hate this feelings that sth is cooking but we don't know anything, but live in this kind of wired anxiety.
No matter reorg or layoffs, can't just said it clearly when, where, what? Anyone can still focus on work?

@f1 re: “HR had proposed using data on resources who pay Church tax to identify and target those who do not, but this approach encountered legal issues, leading to the decision not to utilize this data for layoff lists.”

The godless using church tax data… now that’s rich. I don’t want to start any blasphemous rumors but I think that God has a sick sense of humor, and when I get laid off I expect to see Him laughing.

@e4 Exactly. And we all know who's behind it. People need to wake up. Where's my juice.

Bumping this up. this is the important information that is going to get lost with all of the same old tangential BS! conversations. Focus people! Thank you to those that have called out the racism etc.

The executive board and HR have requested the layoff of 12,000 human resources globally. Most of these layoffs will occur in the US offices, as well as in India and Germany, specifically outside of Walldorf and Sankt Leon Rot. The objective is to cut costs associated with maintaining offices in cities like Berlin, Potsdam, Frankfurt, and Munich. If this plan is approved by the Works Council, it is anticipated that in 2027 and 2028, HR will consolidate smaller satellite offices and relocate those resources to larger city offices. The goal is to fully implement back-to-office policies by the end of 2026 or, at the latest, 2027.

The initial wave will consist of resources from acquisitions, as they are perceived to be too progressive and not aligned with SAP's culture. Immigrant resiources and those on visas will be targeted to minimize resistance from the Betriebsrat, as these individuals typically have limited worker protections under European laws. HR had proposed using data on resources who pay Church tax to identify and target those who do not, but this approach encountered legal issues, leading to the decision not to utilize this data for layoff lists.

The second wave will be based on location. In 2024 and 2025, SAP shifted away from the concept of distributed teams and reassigned most managers to be based in Walldorf and Sankt Leon Rot. Resources in other offices under these managers will either be reassigned to different teams or asked to find new roles within SAP. Those who are unable to do so will be included in the layoffs.

The upcoming third wave will focus on the utilization of AI, which is currently being monitored across all human resource devices. The aim is to minimize roles that can be made "more efficient through AI," thereby requiring fewer resources globally in these positions. This encompasses design roles, QA engineers, support engineers, and product owners, as many did not adhere to HPOM as SAP intended, along with resources exhibiting low AI usage. Inquiries directed at AI models, websites accessed via Google Chrome and Microsoft Edge, and user workflows within SAP applications will be analyzed to determine if AI is being adequately utilized by human resources. If a position cannot be entirely replaced by AI, it may still be diminished through AI and outsourced to consultants from external vendors. These work packages will be overseen by managers located in Walldorf and Sankt Leon Rot. Should these managers lack sufficient technical expertise, they will receive assistance from technical architects within their region and central architecture teams established under the new CTO's domain. Performance management and AI usage will be rigorously employed to identify such resources, with low performers facing a greater likelihood of being included in these layoffs.

Top management across all sectors submitted their layoff lists last month, as these lists were due at the same time as performance management.

Further details are expected to be communicated during or just prior to this month's earnings call.

23h ago by Anonymous
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Post ID: @ak+1knyk63p5
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@e4 CK and other millionaires do not understand what employees go through. They try to get employees to fight with each other by instigating racism, differences in location, etc. If we are too busy fighting between ourselves, no one pays attention to the fact that the salary appraisals this year were some of the lowest in SAP history yet at the same time, CK got a bonus of more than 16 million for last year although he failed on every single one of his objectives and the share price is so low. We need to focus on the real war which is the class war.

@dk MA wanted a more sensible HPOM compared to Juergen Mueller and CK and JG which is why he is being kicked out. JG wants Product Managers to vibe code and create prototypes so we can reduce development team sizes by laying off. That is worse. It is not HPOM anymore. It is simply another tool to control and disempower employees. Like performance management.

@e4 Don't you see that this type of rethoric is more dangerous to your culture than conspiracy theories?

@e4 err yes it is. You have vastly more in common with the Indian it worker brought here than you do with ck or hasso

@db When I heard that MA would leave, my hope was that we could get rid of the HPOM nonsense.

With the rumours about JG, this hope has been lost.

Is there anything positive anywhere at SAP?

When I asked my local representative in Germany, they said that this is still under active discussion and they are trying to stop it. But HR and the supervisory board are not negotiating in good faith and they want employees gone so it is tough. The last time they tried to stop layoffs, they got HPOM and performance management. This time something worse will come out of it if they say no to layoffs. Back to office discussions are on the table and also discussions about limiting or reducing SAP benefits even more.

@cs A very astute assessment. However it's not what the put upon US colleagues want to hear. Tell them someone of dubious background, particularly non-white, is threatening their American dream aspirations and you'll be bombarded with positive reaction. The so called commander in chief has this lot well rehearsed. As for SAP, racism is something, based on experience, I could never lay at their door.

@all OP asked a simple question and immediately some of you stupidos shift again to these irrelevant side topics, pls stop and keep focus on the question!

The waves in the long post seem eerily similar to what a McKinsey deck would say.

The first and long post seems suspect because it is the same person who always goes back to their anti-immigrant / anti-offshoring mini-rant. Look dude, I get it. I’m a white guy working in my home country and I’ve had my wages suppressed for 25 years by H1 visas and offshoring. I evolved from being a coder into roles which were harder to offshore - if only because the people pushing the offshoring still want to have face to face meeting to feel important.

For the sake of the discourse here, stick to what you know and have heard through channels at work and keep your assessments based on nationality and location to facts as well.

@ak+1knyk63p5 you mentioned that requisitions are the first to be targeted , do we know how soon would they communicate on this for Concur US ?

A US VERP offer would be well received. From what I understand that won’t be an option for a very long time😞

@ak timing of the initial wave? What about the Ask Us Anything meetings scheduled for the US and business Network?

The executive board and HR have requested the layoff of 12,000 human resources globally. Most of these layoffs will occur in the US offices, as well as in India and Germany, specifically outside of Walldorf and Sankt Leon Rot. The objective is to cut costs associated with maintaining offices in cities like Berlin, Potsdam, Frankfurt, and Munich. If this plan is approved by the Works Council, it is anticipated that in 2027 and 2028, HR will consolidate smaller satellite offices and relocate those resources to larger city offices. The goal is to fully implement back-to-office policies by the end of 2026 or, at the latest, 2027.

The initial wave will consist of resources from acquisitions, as they are perceived to be too progressive and not aligned with SAP's culture. Immigrant resiources and those on visas will be targeted to minimize resistance from the Betriebsrat, as these individuals typically have limited worker protections under European laws. HR had proposed using data on resources who pay Church tax to identify and target those who do not, but this approach encountered legal issues, leading to the decision not to utilize this data for layoff lists.

The second wave will be based on location. In 2024 and 2025, SAP shifted away from the concept of distributed teams and reassigned most managers to be based in Walldorf and Sankt Leon Rot. Resources in other offices under these managers will either be reassigned to different teams or asked to find new roles within SAP. Those who are unable to do so will be included in the layoffs.

The upcoming third wave will focus on the utilization of AI, which is currently being monitored across all human resource devices. The aim is to minimize roles that can be made "more efficient through AI," thereby requiring fewer resources globally in these positions. This encompasses design roles, QA engineers, support engineers, and product owners, as many did not adhere to HPOM as SAP intended, along with resources exhibiting low AI usage. Inquiries directed at AI models, websites accessed via Google Chrome and Microsoft Edge, and user workflows within SAP applications will be analyzed to determine if AI is being adequately utilized by human resources. If a position cannot be entirely replaced by AI, it may still be diminished through AI and outsourced to consultants from external vendors. These work packages will be overseen by managers located in Walldorf and Sankt Leon Rot. Should these managers lack sufficient technical expertise, they will receive assistance from technical architects within their region and central architecture teams established under the new CTO's domain. Performance management and AI usage will be rigorously employed to identify such resources, with low performers facing a greater likelihood of being included in these layoffs.

Top management across all sectors submitted their layoff lists last month, as these lists were due at the same time as performance management.

Further details are expected to be communicated during or just prior to this month's earnings call.