It sounds like 8 hours no matter where you are. In effect quashing the new policy
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is this all Bridget has done since she has been at this bank for a year? I hope not.
I was WFH before COVID, and I've never worked less than since RTO. The time I waste in my car, getting ready, navigating the office, getting distracted by stupid S, messing with garbage tech etc. is time I USED to be productive at home. If the company wants less production, "fine" I don't really give a S anymore, but stop pretending that the complete waste of time that they have foisted upon us is about work. They DO NOT CARE if you are in the office or not, because they are working, every single day, to downsize you so you never go to the office again. That's their lone objective, so just stop pushing the completely fake narrative that they care about butts in seats when they have been firing as many people as possible every year since shart got here. He wants zero butts in (American) seats.
@ds you should probably take your chances with a rope and a chair if OPs post upsets you so much
@OP Are you so useless that you can’t work 8-13 hours in a day? That you can’t get your big behind into your car or bus and get to an office? What did you do before COVID? Stop your whining and be happy you have a job and benefits. You sound more petty than a McDonalds employee who has to go into the store each day. Remember that when you go out to spend your money, Those waiters have to go into a place of work while you whine and cry about your self entitled self.
@ak The so called younger folks as you call yourself are just self entitled babies. Too lazy to work and complain that things aren’t given to you. The work week is 40 hours plus. Your work location is an office or cube in a building. Now toss your double foam latte and get on your bicycle and peddle your fat behind to work. Get your job done whether it takes 8-14 hours and be happy you get a paycheck and benefits. If you want to work from home than get a job selling insurance over the phone or become Tik Tok troll.
I can’t tell if this thread is full of Trolls or Fools.
The email absolutely clear to those with reading comprehension. When you work the expectation is for 8 hours. We are expected to go into the office 3 days to work and WFH the other 2.
This thread is why this policy exists. All of you “professionals” who have worked here for 20+ years are really just children in old people clothing.
@ak you are overthinking it. No one making these decisions gives a sh-t about anything but encouraging attrition and setting up people for firing without severance. If they had data to support anything they're doing they'd have shared it years ago.
When was it not ok to work 8 hours in a day?
When you spent the previous day working then were paged at night because Sunil couldn’t follow a step by step list of tasks and broke something, so you spend hours on call fixing what he broke. So then the next day you duck out early with manager approval.
This is clearly a generation age Gap issue. From what I'm able to understand the senior citizens running the company or working for the company require the in-office connections because they're empty nesters all their family and friends have left them behind even the people they grew up with at Wells Fargo moved on to something else they feel alone and they need a connection because they have nothing to go home to and so the only bright side of their day is coming to the office.
Younger generational people still have families at home a life outside of work activities they want to do personal goals they want to achieve etc. and that requires a proper work-life balance.
Now to the senior citizens credit they built a workforce economy that is capable of working remotely from anywhere and what this does is it provides workers a better positive environment for them to work in.
Yes it is a not for everyone's scenario, however when you look at the year 2020 during the pandemic followed by this year and everything in between stock wise there is no real data to prove that shoving people into a office area for 8 plus hours is beneficial to the company nor to the person.
Legitimate studies done by reputable colleges have shown that remote workers have a stronger mental health in a positive way which makes them more willing to bend over backwards for the company they are working for without question and produce outstanding results.
Overall it's the senior citizens in this company that need to reevaluate their own lives just because that they live in an empty house where their family doesn't want anything with them anymore and they look in the mirror every morning and realize that they pi---d their life away doing this worthless grind and they themselves are not happy doesn't mean they need to force their depression and psychological issues on to other people.
What this policy shows is that it's going to quickly identify those managers who are going to stand at the door with coffee and hand ready to get on their knees and brown nose every manager that comes in and do cube monitoring and workplace stalking just so they can tattletale to other executives in hopes that they get a boost in pay or recognition for making the company better.
OK. what I heard is that badging in and out will tell the tale. So is the IP info that your PC is sending (via their spy apps) will also confirm in vs. out. You folks - your time online is monitored. Keystrokes, activity, location of PC, etc. All are subject to reporting IMHO. In this case, they KNOW how much time you are in the office. Its down to things like, "oh but wait, I have to pick up my kids, its snowing!" or "um, my mom just had a heart attack, I need to be by her side", or frankly "your rules su-k, I'm not conforming!". Yep, they don't care. Really. 8 hours a day, monitored, and that is 3 days per week in IT. If you can't do it, you have to file an employee check-in with Workday. yes. its true. Sound like a punch card and time clock?? That's for hourly employees, right? But But But....uh huh. You professionals? Better clock in. NOW.
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@ad the day we got hired as exempt employees. The expectation for years is youre judged based on what you get done not punching a clock in the office. And because we’re exempt that means we work whatever hours are needed to get things done. If meetings or tasks are at 6am or midnight or weekends we do them. Sometimes that means we work more than 8 hours and sometimes we work less than 8 hour days. People are on call, people work odd hours, some people have to work weekends a few hours at a time. some work like training can’t even be done on company hardware or networks. So we have to do them remotely on our own computers.
All of you have to keep in mind that Bridget and her executive staff are non-technical executives sure they may have fulfilled a technical role but like Tracy Kearns and others you wouldn't trust them to program their own universal remote he-l they probably need their kids to help sink their Bluetooth to their car radio system.
They may have been adequate administrative assistance in the 1990s before IBM brought in Windows and systems like condor 64 and typewriters were still used with file cabinets.
For those who are really upset keep in mind in the last few years we've gone through four or five CISOs and other executive staff and with Wells Fargo now cleared of the regulatory requirements caused by the previous CEO it's very likely that are psychopathic CEO is going to hand the reins to somebody else and everything Will change again.
One thing for the technology line of business that you also need to keep in mind is that they are currently contemplating eliminating a lot more American job categories here and looking to move those technology positions over to India because it costs too much to submit H1B visas and investing in the American workforce and economy is not financially strategic to Charlie
This policy for technology is very problematic for a lot of reasons. A lot of the executives and Frontline managers within this line of business are still remote 100% so enforcing this with a huge discrepancy towards management versus workers is very apparent. The other issue with this is unrealistic expectations, meaning they're going to expect you to do 8 hours 3 days a week at the office combined with the over exaggerated paperwork process combined with useless meetings and roadblock procedures every technical person will be bogged down with administrative tasks during this 8 hours and never really get to the technical tidbits of their job, factoring in that majority of the technology teams are already low-manned as it is shows that something will break.
Another thing to point out is that overtime is a choice not a requirement and with this new mandate forcing people to do a full 8 hours at the office where they micromanage you through software on your machine and badge access to ensure that you are at the office just goes to show that you're mental stability is not a factor here. besides expecting to do your technical job attend useless meetings and everything else you now have to humor the masses with office politics by making sure that everyone in your vicinity is comfortable with you whether it's what you wear, what you say, etc.
Already managers are using this to further segregate employees that they have personal bias towards setting them up for failure on purpose just to help push them out the door further victimizing the employee.
What people probably are not contemplating is the next thing to come up is dress code enforcement.
Your comfort level is not a Wells Fargo requirement your mental health is not a Wells Fargo requirement you are a tool and this is the best way they feel they can enforce that.
Bridget has already told her executives and managers that if employees don't like this you need to go find another job and that you whining about this is your personal problem Wells Fargo just doesn't care.
Also keep in mind that because this 8 hours is a requirement unless your boss absolutely likes you and is willing to put in an exception in HR for you to leave it early and you not take PTO you cannot put your family first.
When was is ok to NOT work at least 8 hours a day?
TACO Thursday!
@a9 Same here. I actually worked 8 hours yesterday in the office and then logged off and was done. Normally I log in at night to catch up and plan for the next day. It felt good to know that computer was off for good yesterday. I’m also putting hard stops on meetings outside of my 8 hour days. No more 6am calls with India. If they want to go back to the 1950’s style of working I think I’m gonna be okay with it.
Since nothing was said about time in office, I’m just going to continue what I and most technology employees have been doing. Come to the office 3 days a week for 4 hours and then finish up at home. Most tech employees work over 8 hours anyway, so nothing really has changed based off this email
Malicious compliance. Leadership wants me to work 8 hours a day. No problem. I will work 8 hours a day. That will actually shorten my day. When I leave the office I'm done for the day - I won't be logging in when I get home like I do now. Don't ask me to work early or stay late or come in on the weekends.
Treat me like a child and I will act like a child.
Some tech folks still work remotely and emails like this give them no information on how/if it will affect them. How are employees that aren’t co-located near an office possibly comply with this policy? Management seems to have no clue what any of this means for their team members. Been going through this for years.
It’s vaguely worded. 8 hours regardless of where you are. But the in office expectation is 8 hours as well.
When does the clock start on when the 8 hours starts? If I’m looking at emails or on a call at 6am is that the start or does it start when I badge in? What happens with people who are on call for support or for India coordination or a DR test?
This is an ill conceived policy as usual.
The whole thing is a bluff. They don’t have updated reporting guidance - it’s still days in office - which is a login or badge.
that's nice. still not doing it...
2 hrs in office and the rest at home
@OP it’s so simple, yet it has people freaking out. Cmon people it’s not that hard