New in office expectations stated for tech.
Don’t comply you’ll get fired. Pretty much it.
And the implied threat of we don’t we could go to 4 days in office.
F@@k this place.
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@ej you are assuming you were productive before.
@ew+1k6dmp9g3
Redo your math. None of your calculations total to a 40-hr week.
as if we are the only thing holding back more offshoring. wake up!
I’ll keep coffee badging until my manager says something. Like I have been this whole time.
@eg - This is what management wants, to prove you are not needed and India can operate independently. Go for it.
@e6 my boss said yes on our call for whatever that's worth
Can't seem to get an answer from boss etc. 8 hours 3 days a week. Would 6 hours 4 days a week be the same. Or 5 hours 5 days a week.
Not suggesting any of these should be implemented. More like interesting reading as you while away your hours stuck in the office
https://www.cia.gov/static/5c875f3ec660e092cf893f60b4a288df/SimpleSabotage.pdf
I'm going to be as unproductive as possible while in the office just to spite them.
@ap wrong. This is about attrition and cost savings. The question is , is this being rolled out to offshore folks and third party contractors- contingent workers. I think they will be hit with lawsuits
Block off your calendar until working time and tell your offshore partners you work set hours now due to the new rules. Make them accommodate. If your taking a 5-6am call, you should not be expected to be in the office nor should you have to work more than your 8 hour allotted time
I got put on pip for only coming in the office for 4 hours a day. This is real and upper management is definitely tracking our hours on site.
@dp - Best of luck searching for a new job
Does a half day of PTO still count as a full day in the office?
Welp… work your local time zone 8 hours and FU-K OFFSHORE. This will work out well. End the offshoring and H1-B bullsh-t 100%. Hire onshore AMERICANS!! If you can’t afford to do that you don’t have a legitimate sustainable business and Shart and all the C-suite clowns should take massive pay cuts and/or be “displaced”.
Hours are tracked via LAN/wifi login. I believe only OC+2 only get the average hrs worked report right now. Managers only see days/location. Hours are not tracked by badge swipes in and out (most sites don’t have to badge out to leave).
well damn, if YOU had to do five days for years now, there is no other option but to roll it out to all employees at all companies, effective immediately.
since you and your experiences are clearly the be all end all, there is no other path forward.
@ak Yep. We're all pretty much sc--wed by offshore workers. They are rude knowitalls who if asked to install an electrical outlet in a shower, would do it and not worry about the consequences. This company is so "Woke". I routinely arrived at 06:00 a.m. and left at 1:00 p.m., then went home and worked another couple of hours. Do you think anyone appreciated my extra efforts ? No ! I was displaced in July with the justification that my skillset does not match what WF was looking for. After 40 years of dedicated service, my skills don't match ? WTF ?
@bp those were the same dates for the report my coworker got the documented discussion for
@bn seems like you are also responding to everyone on this board.
@bp those ranges don’t align with the current 4 week RTO cycle. So yeah ok whatever..
Management received reporting on who’s been in the office 8 hours between August 13 and September 14. In my department the 8 hour expectation was communicated September 22.
Management will need to have conversations with anyone who didn’t meet the new expectations which hadn’t been communicated at the time they are looking at. I’m sure this timing is coincidental right before annual review.
You are literally responding to each person - who knows what your agenda is on an anonymous layoff board. Do you even work here?
Nailed it. Exactly.
@bf it was a report that show their average hours worked in the office
@be what matters is if they got put on the pip for showing up on some new tracking report or ratted out by an annoying manager or co worker.
@b4 why would I waste my time coming on here to lie?
I’m in tech and we have been going in 5 days a week since after Covid. Just want to say some of the gripes I’m hearing would have been blessings for others
Has nothing to do with 40 hour work weeks. It has to do with being expected to sit in an office for 8 hours just to go home, eat dinner, log back in and implement IT changes past midnight, then repeat the next day.
Go in at 5AM, avoid traffic and get your pick of seats, out the door by 1pm.
Again it is wasn’t a rule I until recently. If you’re going to lie - be smarter about it
We landed on the moon!
@b1 some managers are an-l about rules and being a yes man
Explain how somebody gets a PIP for an expectation that hasn’t been communicated until recently. Sounds like BS
@av my coworker got a document discussion about not being in the office 8 hours. Basically a PIP for it and was told it might affect bonus and performance rating.
@am
It’ll be reminiscent of Jason Bateman’s character being 3 minutes late in Horrible Bosses. But maybe you’ll get a glass of early morning scotch to help you cope 🤷♀️
I was specifically told from two different layers of management that it will be tracked and will have performance review impact. My +1 and +2 are not happy about it and my +2 is trying to inquire about flexibility for various circumstances (early AM calls with offshore, etc).
@av that is my take reading all the updated pdfs and the managers pdf on the reporting dashboard. Nothing there changed, the dashboard will not have hours. Maybe that changes sometime in the future, same with the guidance for none compliance, that hasn't changed either. They added the 8 hrs as the expectation. Thats not nothing, but for sure not the down to the minute, zero flexibility big brother stuff being posted.
Yeah, it came down to my org today as well. It's and "expectation".
No direction to track, no direction on repercussions. Just informing.
I think they framed it like that due to most being salaried. They can't flat out say 8 hours a day.
F, em.
@ap i wouldn't make this into "me vs my id--t coworkers" when "me vs my id--t bosses" is a sufficient explanation in itself. The c-suite has attrition targets, progress has slowed as the labor market has tightened up, this is Shart's way of juicing the stats, either by forcing attrition or setting up more reasons to fire without severance. I also think part of it is a reaction/retaliation to data that concretely proves out how checked out workers are and how few people are bought into the RTO messaging despite years of effort from every layer of management at the entire bank