This is probably the only channel I can say this on. But by God, people. Please get in line with the in-office requirements. 3 days and 8 hours is not that big of a deal. And if some of you lazy people keep looking for loopholes and abusing the system, they’ll come down harder. It’ll be 4 days, then 5. And we shouldn’t blame management. We should blame you.
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@vz People do want change. But they also want that sweet, sweet golden ticket.
to the person calling me a bootlicker, I challenge you. at Charlie’s town hall this week, speak up and raise all your concerns, because you’re clearly such a maverick. I dare you. I double dare you. Sh-t, I triple dog dare you.
but I bet you won’t, because you’re a scared little bi--h. one who chooses to live forever in denial over something you cannot change. but actually, you can change (or could have). if you hated it so much, you should have put 100% effort into a finding a new job. and now it may be too late.
@eb aka sycophant.
Here's the thing. I can go in 3x8, sure... but what I want is to be treated like an adult, if I need to step away to go to an appointment, allow me that flexibility, if I need to leave early because my kid puked at school, allow me to do so. The way this is being communicated is that it is all or nothing (or use your PTO), I have no problem as an exempt employee putting in extra time/hours, and frankly on my WFH days, Wells gets more out of me because I'm on earlier, and often stay later because I don't have the commute.
Treat me like a professional who has worked here for more than 20 years.
"Lickspittle" - a person who behaves obsequiously to those in power.
Learned a new word today, ty
@a8 and we can only imagine how fun you must be at parties. GTFO.
@br Spot on. It's all about attrition and not paying severance.
@br the CEO went on national TV THIS WEEK and said literally "we're planning to get rid of a bunch of people still, and we're trying to create as much attrition as possible," and you STILL get lickspittles coming on here mad at their coworkers as if we're the ones making these decisions.
They are forcing attrition because they hired way too many people to do the work thats still getting done even though they've already gotten rid of tens of thousands. Most companies dont hire anyone until they absolutely have to so consider yourself lucky you got to do the equivalent of a PT job and got paid well to do it. Time to start earning your money or GTFO.
(shakes head)
How can there still possibly be any employees that actually think 3/8 has ANYTHING to do with executives caring if we are in-office. They do it because they think it will drive attrition. There is NO OTHER REASON. But go on, trying to convince me that the same clowns that fired 100,000 Americans suddenly cares deeply about having American workers in the office. They want 0/0, you dolts. ZERO hours, ZERO days.
@OP You can go straight to he-l.
No, we should blame management, because this isn't about abuse so much as it's about forcing attrition. They will go to more days to tighten the sc--ws even more to drive even more attrition.
Management fu--ing su-ks. Good companies with good management rarely, if ever lay off people. But our CEO is a simpleton who doesn't know any better. And all of the bootlickers below him just make it worse with their sycophancy.
How about go fu-k yourself, bootlicking a-s kisser? Don’t you have a hall you need to keep an eye on or something?
@aj not sure what your comment says about you..
ask your mommy and daddy ...you sound either entitled or immature, prolly both
@at Most are in office 3 days a week. Maybe what you're seeing is their remote days. Or maybe they are 2nd shift workers? Or maybe they are unemployed? I know I tend to go in on Monday and Friday, simply because the office is quietest on those days.
Or, maybe most importantly, you should worry about yourself and not what others are doing. Because your anecdotally motivated virtue signaling is not constructive.
@ar no dum--ss. I’m saying it’s like 8:30 and I am driving to work and I see this.
or it is 5:10 and I just left the office and see this. they’re clearly not starting at 9 and not leaving at 5
@a7 many of us were never forced to be in the office. If you got your work done that’s what mattered. Even before Covid I could work remote whenever I wanted. And then with Covid we all worked remote. Even years before Covid I’d go into the office 3-5 days want a big deal. Decent office digs, quiet etc. a lot of people worked remote.
Work got done.
@am What does that say about you to be out and about witnessing all this? Are you not working?
I remember the days of when I had to be in the office 8hrs a day, 5 days a week. I had a job where I was required to meet people in person to perform a service for them. It made perfect sense, even though 90% of what we did was possible to do remote, that 10% that required in-person work was enough to justify it to me.
Then I got a job where the manager stated I would be working remote 100% of the time because there was never, ever, going to be a need for me to be in an office location unless, for some unforeseeable reason, every possible remote connection to the internal network was unavailable. Of course, if that happened, everyone that I worked with would be in the same boat.
The only change? He left, and management started getting the idea that they needed to drive attrition and started worrying about butts in seats rather than job performance. Literally, the only requirements on me when hired were to live in the United States of America, and be available when I was needed.
I am part of a globally-dispersed team, where location only matters for coverage, not collaboration. Technology exists, and is in place, to facilitate coordination without colocation because it was seen as a disaster preparedness/business continuity practice.
Now we have an executive mismanagement team that basically doesn't care about that because they spent the last 6 years trying to avoid paying up to 1 year's worth of severance. Acting like they're a smart group is proving you lick boots to get ahead. That's why people call you bootlicker, not because it's the only thing some lazy employee has.
@OP is the prime example of a corporate sellout who doesn't understand what productivity actually is. I'll bet they have an MBA from a diploma mill, or if it's from some prestigious university, they got accepted because of a family connection/donation rather than their talent.
So you regularly notice them during work hours, out and about? What are you doing? Certainly not nose-to-the-grindstone hard work in the office.
Zero ability to performance-manage here at WF? Or is it just super hard and no one wants to put in the effort?
We've reverted back to the elementary school mentality "some of you were naughty little boys and girls so no one gets recess today"
Super proud to work for an organization like this.
@ae I routinely see all the “productive” WFH crowd. they’re often out walking/running on my way to/from the office. or going to get coffee. going shopping. definitely not working.
perhaps you mean more productive in their personal lives?
because they’re certainly not more productive at work.
Oh please. The technology to allow people to work from home has existed for decades. It hasnt suddenly sprung up the last few years. The reason its never taken off on a large scale (COVID excepted) is because people su-k and will eventually hang themselves with whatever rope they are given, which is exactly why WF is forcing everyone back into the office. Too many people coffee ba----g, disappearing all day, working multiple jobs, etc for any company to tolerate. So its off with everyone's heads and time to scurry back to whatever work space you can find. Technology may change but human nature never will.
@a7 No, you must be a dinosaur. When was this? I rarely put in more than 8 hours a day in an office throughout my entire career.
There's been no dramatic shift in the workplace for anyone other than the chosen few who got paid to sit at home for a few years because of COVID and now cry like children at the thought of having to rejoin the unwashed masses who kept right on going in to work every day the entire time. Get over yourselves and your self righteous whining about having to do something as mundane as show up for work.
Look, I’m 60 and have worked in financial services for my entire career. I fondly recall the days when you put on a nice suit and dressed the part, and in some ways miss those days.
However, it’s not 1996 anymore. There have been dramatic shifts in the workplace and no matter how hard Wells or anybody else tries, we have reached the point where people can and do work just as effectively remotely. I think that we will ultimately reach a compromise here, and I would be very comfortable with 3 days a week, 6 hours.
I’m speaking only for myself but I’m fine with that.
Ok Charlie. I have less distractions at home. I have my own office space. I don’t have people stopping by my desk to chat. I can ignore Teams messages that aren’t work related. I don’t have people sitting next to me who are partially deaf and are yelling into their headset or having a conversation about the Ohio State game.
No one to blame but yourselves. Human nature. Studies have proved that WFH has many distractions and you all took advantage of not having anyone around to see you work in your underwear and take long shopping trips around lunch time. Maybe a no---r with the wife. Keeping infants at home. Office is for working and collaboration. Home office is for family matters, family ties, and all in the family after the view.
@aa Yeah, the 10-year-old monitors I get to hook my 5-year-old laptop (which can't run my camera in Teams if I have Outlook open, too!) sure are high tech and fancy. So are the ancient desk chairs, many of which are no longer adjustable because those components broke before COVID. The fact that a lot of the keyboards are broken and the bathrooms regularly run out of supplies only adds to the elegant aura of our office. And it's SO VERY FANCY that they only vacuum and empty the trash cans once a week and never clean the desks! They're far too elevated to supply desk wipes anymore, either.
@a7
Yeah, I remember. That was back on 2007 when my team went remote.
Now I have to slog back to a bare hotel stall, listen to other people sit next to me bi--h about their work, listen to their calls, smell their lunch, listen to their B.S sessions with people they know, all within 2 feet of me. I can't even scratch my schnizz in private.
Yeah, this is productive.
@a9 LMAO. yeah, they’re trying to make us miserable with all these fancy, high-tech places to work. you’re just miserable and refuse not to be. a little resilience goes a long way! give it a try!
People like OP keep confusing the outward narrative that the changes they're making are about productivity, with the actual motivation of making workers miserable to encourage attrition. Fu--ing Charlie went on the news yesterday to say he wants more attrition and you're still not getting it. If we go to 4 or 5 days next year I'm sure you authoritarian little bi--hes will rush back here to blame your coworkers again, instead of doing anything other than pointing the finger at the people actually making these decisions.
@a1 what a ridiculous comment, too. you’re only play is to call me a ‘bootlicker’.
but see, this is all anonymous. no one knows who I am. so who’s invisible boot am I exactly licking, you basic person?
this is all so common at Wells, though. people lack basic, critical thinking and instead employ mob mentality. if you’re this inept outside of work, I can only imagine how inept you are at work.
does anyone remember the days we were in the office 5 days/8hrs!!
I know Covid proved we can wfh......the workplace has changed. I hate it too!
oh...we also dressed as if we didn't just roll out of bed
@a4 corporations don’t care. and why should they?
it’s an entire system based on greed and more greed.
@a3 I’m sure your productivity su-ks.
@OP, agreed it’s not a big deal, but look at the bigger picture… some of us are not in a hub and have to go into offices where none of our colleagues work until co-location kicks in. This is entirely pointless, creates significant cost and inconvenience. The broader plan is clearly to drive attrition.
Given this, morale is at an all time low and frankly although I do my 3 days and 8 hours, I empathize with anyone who doesn’t and finds the loopholes. If the company cared about me and my team, didn’t want us out, I’d be 100% all about the 3 days 8 hours requirement.
@OP
You are dxmb. Most LOB will start coming 4 days starting next year , some already coming 4 days or 5 days this year.
Some LOBs have seating issue because of the 4 days and management tell them to try and come Fri or Mon to ease the congestion.
The while point is about attrition. During Covid we all WFH , yet productivity was through the roof.
@a1 lazy person
Bootlicker