Thread regarding IBM layoffs

Don’t hate IBM, take advantage of IBM while the company still stands.

This is what I do every day.

@OP

Maybe the title of this post should be "People REALLY hate IBM and they REALLY REALLY hate IBM Executives even more"

@f0

A small correction - The IBM Layoff is a place where people that hate IBM hang out. And they seem to have a great time, even if you don't.

I wonder if most people of the people that don't like to work for IBM are in the consulting division?

TheLayoff seems to be a place where people that hate themselves hang out.

The reason is that there are still some people left who remember what IBM used to be like. Seeing how far it has fallen is what disgusts them.

I quite enjoy my job working on Z software.

I worked in GBS (consulting) and didn't enjoy that.

Go ahead and downvote if you like. If that makes you feel like a man.

@OP

There's always room for another IBM hater here. So go ahead and apply. We'll see you back here in a year (or less). ;^)

@ae

Yes, of course it's bad. All I'm trying to say is that it is not the only one that is that bad. Just by taking with other folks in other places and comparing notes.

I'm with you, I hear you, promise!!!

@ab

If you don't mind, let me tell you what I did and perhaps helps you? Just trying to be useful, that's all. Apologies if I say things that you already know, but may be good confirmation if it is?

Some employees from some companies don't post in here, however I found out that it didn't mean they are less unhappy (at all). So what I did is pretty much combine information, Reddit, Glassdoor, Indeed and so on.

Some employees that have been laid off or about to get laid off do not post because they are afraid or they signed stuff that prevents them from talking about it.

Don't use AI (like ChatGPT or Gemini, etc) because time and time again they give you biased summary (towards "not so bad"), so go old Google style.

I know it's a pain, meaning, a little bit more work, but better than applying thinking it's going to be fine or mostly fine and then it's really not.

I have a friend that thought, hey, nobody says here much and the dashboard is slow and it wasn't it. I will not tell you what company for privacy, but it's a really big one (in the field of one you mentioned).

I really think you are doing a good job by participating here. But IBM'ers here are very outspoken, lol, some aren't so a bit more effort is required, lol.

I wish you the best of lucks!!!

@ab

No other company treats it employees so poorly as IBM management does particularly in the US - here are some examples of poor treatment :

1. They make you train your replacement in India after giving you a layoff notice of 4 weeks.
2. They put you on a PIP to avoid paying you severance.
3. The severance is pathetic - 3 weeks - even if you have worked for 20+ years at IBM
4. They find an excuse to move you to a lower band (employee level) to avoid giving you a merit increase which you worked for.
5. They promote their "brown nosers" and 'favorites" but everyone else is going nowhere until layoff time.
6. The CEO gets a mega million dollar bonus every January but most US employees are lucky if they see even a fraction of their salary as the annual bonus. The IBM management find an excuse to hold it back and award it to themselves.

There's plenty more reasons why IBM is not the company of choice to work in these days. It's a dumpster fire as many here will tell you. If you lived in India, perhaps things might be reversed. You cannot say that you were not told of these things, if you still want to apply for that job.

@a4

Well, two other companies I’m considering are E&Y and HSRC. Go take a look at their threads. Of course people complain. This is a layoff board after all. But it is nothing like the vitriol all spewed at IBM by its own employees. Ernston Young hasn’t even had a posting since March. The shame of it is that particular role I’m interested in really is the best at IBM. But I just don’t know if I want to deal with this.

@a4

I agree, IBM is a very bad one, but not the only one.

A lot of IBM'ers will disagree because they feel their own pain, and that's understandable.

(I worked with one of the acquisitions)

@OP

If you value your sanity and life, stay out of IBM - at least in the USA. Disgusting filth company with vermin at all levels of management, particularly the US and Indian managers in the US. But this is what the IBM CEOs - Gini (Gin and Tonic) and Alvind and his Pipmunks have made of this company. The company should burn to the ground to prevent the outsourcing cancer that it has spread throughout the business world - with help from the consultants at McKinsey. At one time, this might have been a great company, but not any more. Not even AI or Quantum can save it in a million years.

If you want a career, go elsewhere.

Having worked there for a decade due to an acquisition, giving it a fair shot and then being close enough to retirement to stick it out, I got RAed. I saw so much bullsh-t. Some coworkers I'd known from before the acquisition, especially managers, drank the kool-aid and became unrecognizable asswipes. I was asked to approve things that were wholly unacceptable, and when I didn't I was reprimanded. Nothing's real there. New products?Initiatives? Patents? Mostly PowerPoint slides. Looking back, I wouldn't even take a dump in that shithole.

@OP

This part is not accurate: "Very few experience this level of disgust from their workers!"

There are (many) several other companies.

Worse. Disgusting subhuman filth at the helm from the very top to at least the VP-C level. Even some directors are disgusting human garbage. Operations people are mostly euro and India trash. Most B10 managers are ok but terrified all the time of losing their teams and roles. If you’re very young and willing to take a role for under market value for a few years to resume build it’s ok. Otherwise stay far away.