The reorg seems big, but there was no clarification whether there will be layoffs or not.
Can someone well-informed please comment?
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@j1 Yes, but these layoffs were not related to the BTP reorg, but to the earlier P25 / Mongoose exercise
@dj simply not true, maybe in European countries with a WoC (Ger/Fra). We saw layoffs elsewhere in EU!
@hf Would it make a difference if we all expressed trust in the board?
Could this make them change their mind?
If not, what would?
@hf This is very sad.
@dx SME public cloud ERP partners in N. America who failed miserably with the public cloud version/stack are now retreating to private cloud edition. That can’t be good. e.g., Seidor N. America.
Looks like the continued march of Microsoft Alumni continues
@e9 But this one is related to Mongoose AKA teeth-brushing, not the reorg at BTP.
@e7 well they lied or don't know what talk about. Another example for Ireland posted on this forum:
https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1k6yw7n4d
@e2 Someone from the European works council told me otherwise.
@dz no they were not, and as I said Hungary was only example not the only location
@dy Layoffs in Hungary could be related to a recent scandal and the removal of the offenders.
@dj you meant to say in Germany because there were layoffs in other locations. Hungary for example.
@OP here's another way to turn the table: put all BTP engineers to AI, turn some dying products to open source and move on
These OnPrem products are slowing down the revolution that SAP wants to create : doing changes with a shaking hand isn't doing any good.
Ok we get it : CK wants SAP to be Cloud and AI, fine then do it...we have very good engineers inhouse, they can learn and adapt.
It's either Go hard or Go home: otherwise everybody is losing...
Works council info: there will be no layoffs in Europe. I would also expect no layoffs in other locations.
@cy and when hasn’t the board done something they said they wouldn’t do? Didn’t we shift from no more layoffs to 1-2% layoffs every year? Didn’t we shift from 15000 new positions in India to layoffs in India? Didn’t we shift from making real strategies to shoving Joule down everyone’s throats even though we see dismal adoption at SAP?
I am not saying they should go after product managers and then mid-level managers. But if they do, it shouldn’t surprise us. Many areas aren’t as functional anymore due to the sheer number of reorganizations and layoffs.
@bj I think they need more PM, not less.
Also, HPOM led to more and smaller teams, they will not revert this now. Even though, if they listened to the employees, which they don‘t, they would learn that some POs turned DMs showed to be terrible people managers.
Most upcoming layoffs will now include Product Managers as HPOM was supposed to show the company that we need less PMs. There’s also talk in many teams to replace a majority of Product Manager tasks with Joule.
I believe the next step will be to do what large companies like Oracle and Microsoft are doing - replacing smaller teams with larger teams and letting go of most mid-level managers.
From what a Works Council member told me, they’re trying to negotiate the need for layoffs. So far they have been delayed till Christmas. If the negotiations don’t go well, we’ll get a nice Christmas and New Year gift from CK and the board. This will allow us to find a less sh---y company in a very sh---y job environment. And it will allow CK and the board to get an increase in their yearly bonus. There doesn’t seem to be another way to increase the share price which is on its way to less than €200 on XETRA. I mean, the only innovative options are layoffs and buybacks and acquisitions according to the board.
@aa which teams? In btp
Refer to btp product team or customer success?
@ad Amazon aren't laying people off because AI has replaced them, they're being layed off because amazon needs to give nvidia more money as they are out of GPU capacity in AWS
AI is the way they are going along with Amazon.
I know what you are talking about. But still there is no official email on reorg. Strange.
Some teams were reshuffled, people assigned to other teams, some teams downsized but so far no layoffs...I think the layoff process is set to start end of Christmas/ beginning next year...
What is reorg all about?
Strange, in the coffee corners people tell each other that it is only a minor change that is coming up.