Thread regarding Xerox Corp. layoffs

Any Xerox employees who still have a RIGP pension need to leave now or risk losing that money!

I quit / retired in 2024 after 38 years due to tge new management - or more aptly mis-management. I could only take 50% of my RIGP pension as a lump sum to move to my professionally managed IRA and now get a monthly check for the balance that only has spousal survivor benefits. Anyone still employed at Xerox that has this pension should leave NOW before Chapter 11 filing or they stand to lose this money. Current funding is 66% per a notice I got in late March. Take it or lose it.

by
| 123 views | | 30 replies (last April 10) | Reply
Post ID: @OP+1knhkbc81

30 replies (most recent on top)

@w5 OK Mr. Scooped.

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @wg+1knhkbc81

Wrong, they're both gone

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @w5+1knhkbc81

Do you dipsh-ts know there are at least 2 pension plans in the US? The RIGP1 cannot be touched, the ERIGP is on the XRX books and the participants can lose it. You are all confusing the 2.

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @se+1knhkbc81

Your understanding is wrong.

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @r4+1knhkbc81

It’s my understanding that the pension and other benefits listed in investor and 10K documents are ongoing (future) required payments under the current plan. These must be paid unless the company goes through legal hoops (chapter 11) to be released.

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @qz+1knhkbc81

@kz you should really educate yourself on this topic. Get informed on the subject matter before posting.

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @mc+1knhkbc81

You're neighbor can use your checking account to pay his electric bill. It's called theft - exactly what xrx did when they scooped the RIGP funds. Get a clue...

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @m4+1knhkbc81

@km You people are seriously uninformed. That is not from RIGP1. For the 1000th time, and notwithstanding Scoop Man, Xerox cannot touch the funds already in the trust. It does not belong to them. For the simpletons here, it's the same thing as saying I hope my neighbor doesn't use my checking account to pay his electric bill. Not a thing.

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @kz+1knhkbc81

Did everyone forget that X showed the pension as cash on the books about two years ago and continues to do so?

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @km+1knhkbc81

STOP IT!!! The pension has already been scooped!

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @ee+1knhkbc81

By the looks of this dialog, it's no wonder why this company is in the sh----r.

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @e7+1knhkbc81

@c3 you are the one who is misinformed, and probably a bit slow.

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @e0+1knhkbc81

@ca That's ok that you are misinformed, just know that those of us in the know know what the details are with what happened with the old rigp program.

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @cb+1knhkbc81

@c3 You should try doing some real research. Ditto to the fools who gave you a thumbs up.

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @ca+1knhkbc81

@ab I took lump sum in late 2019 and invested in the very early timeframe and it has served me well way better than any XRX returns).

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @c7+1knhkbc81

@c2 the pension g fund calcs pension payouts differently than Xerox and most other companies. It would be less in many cases

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @c4+1knhkbc81

@c1 & @c2 you are misinformed and absolutely incorrect.

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @c3+1knhkbc81

@OP Very unintelligent post. Funding is at 76%. Even if the company goes belly up, the pension fund is guaranteed in the U.S. by the PBGC up to $7,101.95 per month. PER MONTH. Nobody on this board is in line for that amount. Europe is 100% guaranteed and in fact over funded. Not sure about Canada.

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @c2+1knhkbc81

@a8 The 76% cannot be reprioritized by a bankruptcy court. It is not in XRX hands. It is in a trust.

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @c1+1knhkbc81

@a2 There is no "accrued" vacation with unlimited PTO, regardless of solvency.

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @c0+1knhkbc81

Too late, it's been scooped.

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @bj+1knhkbc81

There cant be many left with RIGP
(The “old” retirement income guarantee plan)
I believe that the cutoff was gor hires made prior to some time in 1987.

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @bc+1knhkbc81

Let ‘ em stay and just loose everything
As they don’t listen to anyone at all.

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @az+1knhkbc81

With all due respect to @OP, this post is not entirely accurate. If you are not sure, then you should consult with a professional. Everyone's financial situation is not the same. You should consider that the US RIGP pension is protected by the PBGC (assuming it stays solvent) up to $5,532/month joint with 50% survival for 62 year old. Since the funding is now around 76%, and under the 80% threshold, the post is correct that you can only take up to 50% as a lump sum. However, at today's higher interest rates the lump sums are way down. You need to do an IRR, consider longevity expectations for you and your spouse, other retirement income sources, the hurdle rate (yearly annuity income divided by lump sum) and decide if you can reproduce the income provided by the annuity every year if you think you have a reasonably long life ahead.

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @ar+1knhkbc81

@a2 Why do you think they moved to “unlimited” PTO?

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @am+1knhkbc81

@a8 yes you could risk being forced to 100% annuity. But the assets are protected through the us pension guaranty corporation.

That said, when I left, I took 100% and rolled into my own accounts.

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @ab+1knhkbc81

@a5 not true. Current employees risk pension being either 100% annuity with only spousal survivor benefits OR I believe a Chapter 11 judge could prioritize debt payoff above whatever “guaranteed” RIGP pension is currently funded. Very risky bet to stay if you can leave / retire and pull the 50% cash out to reinvest in IRAs that actually are providing great returns is invested wisely.

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @a8+1knhkbc81

@a2 out of luck unfortunately. They knew what the were doing....

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @a6+1knhkbc81

The pension is guaranteed by an insurance fund, they can't scoop it.

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @a5+1knhkbc81

If X files Chapter 11, do you know if we get paid vacation accrued since we have moved to the new flex time off plan or just out of luck?

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @a2+1knhkbc81

Post a reply

: