Thread regarding Humana Inc. layoffs

@gn If you consider the power of OpenAI and how it can be misused in potentially transferring data outside this country to other countries, do you really want to risk having a large number of H-1B workers that have not even taken the time to become American citizens to be in control of that data and where it may end up?! How do you know each and every one of those workers do not have some nefarious plans…folks who may hate America and have allegiance to their home country??!!

That is not racism, that is National Security!!! Not to mention HIPPA violations.

All you have to do is look at what Elevance Indian CTO got caught doing as a real world example.

Don’t bury your head in the sand. Try to think like a military general and think things all the way through. Don’t be naive thinking every single H-1B worker has honorable intentions for our country and our way of life.

Once again, that is NOT racism nor an attack on foreigners. That is thinking wisely as to safeguarding data, aside from protecting American jobs.

@gn Very glad you mentioned AI because yes that is already a problem and I see getting much much worse. And if someone says “it’s just economics,” well, I have news for them, when there is 60 or 70 or 80% unemployment rate, who is going to have money to buy anything. Where then is your economics???!!!

As far as corporations using foreign workers to save money, the experiment of melding cultures has never worked out well, if people that move to a new country do not become citizens and then only if they take on the culture of the country that they became a citizen in. If they try to maintain the culture of their original country or even worse, if they try to change the culture of their new country to be like their previous country, it will not work. This has been tried in the past and history tells us it never worked.

@a6 Outsourcing or hiring H-1B workers isn’t “racism against whites” — it’s economics, globalization, and talent mobility. Companies pursue lower costs and specialized skills; they’re not systematically discriminating against white Americans. But the outrage often comes from a sense of lost privilege or economic displacement — which some then mislabel as “racism.”

If we’re going to talk about fairness, it’s worth noting that, around 99% of Fortune 500 CEOs are white men — meaning the highest levels of economic power remain overwhelmingly homogeneous. So if hiring Indian engineers or outsourcing IT is “racism,” then we’d also have to admit that corporate leadership structures show a long history of actual racial and gender imbalance — and that’s a much harder truth for people to accept.
Wait till AI feels comfortable enough to take 90% of jobs in insurance, banking, software development, media …..then are you going to say AI practicing “Racism” .

If you click in the links towards the too at other health insurance companies you will see that the H-1B and Indians replacing American workers is widespread and not just a Humana issue.

Also, Elevance CTO just got caught admitting to, well, I will just let you check it out for yourself. Here below is the link. Shameful!

https://x.com/realmattforney/status/1976735339843580370?s=46

@a8 I am going to lie down now as I am running a fever due to a serious health condition and cannot read any more hate on this site.

Be thankful you still have your cushy job and still have your health insurance and can afford to be treated and did not lose your job to a H-1B Visa worker that you ran circles around in work performance.

@a9 I somewhat agree that the OP’s initial post comes across sounding racist. And I understand and respect your point of view.

But as to my point, I saw firsthand and was a casualty from my career and livelihood and perhaps my life, due to an unforeseen health issue, due to what I believe what someone might call reverse racism, where white American citizens are being systematically targeted to be forced out of work so that a large corporation can pinch pennies wherever they can to make up for some bad corporate decisions. And they are misusing and abusing a visa program (e.g. H-1B) for that purpose. It was never intended to be used to the extent it is. Our federal government even recognizes that and is trying to add higher fees to curb the abuse of the program so that more Americans can keep their jobs. If an Indian worker has such proficient technological skills that surpass mine so much, then that corporation should not have any problem footing the 100k fee.

Also, as an aside, I am not Resentful. I am just trying to shine a light on what I beleaguered to be a major problem in America right now, while I still am able.

I paraphrase a quote as I don’t recall perfectly but all it takes for evil to abound is for good men to remain silent.

We had an opening in our team once, I recommended someone strongly qualified for the position, they ended up hiring a pregnant woman who was Indian and someone's wife in the company. Not sure what credentials she brought in. That's when I learnt about these hiring tricks.

@a6 I know all of what you wrote - I understand it. However, what @OP wrote becomes a personalized attack and is in line with the general racist sentiments happening all over the country. I think what irritates me more is the 'duality' of many people in the country. When the tides favor immigrants under a particular regime like the adoration of certain Indian customs and culture, people in this country want more of it. When a regime comes in and imposes actions that marginalize, immigrants are herrendous. That's the part that ticks me off about this country. Get some individuality - if secretly you're resentful, then stay that way.

@a4 If anything, there is definitely racism going on but not as you think, or would have others to think. The racism is against white american citizens.

But the reason why there is such an increase of H-1B Visas (and also oversees outsourcing) by Humana as well as all the large heath insurance corporations as well as many technology companies.

And it is not because of race nor because Indian workers are necessarily smarter than their white American counterparts. It is because all these C-suite executives have figured out it is cheaper to hire thousands of workers from other countries than American citizens who demand a hire more acceptable cost of living salary to be properly compensated for their professional experience and talents and education. Whereas someone from a poorer country is tickled to death to get the same job and work for less than the American worker…because they are still making more money than they would be from their own country.

These C-suite executives are gaming the system because H-1B Visas were only intended to be used sparingly if an American worker qualified for the job could not be found.

So, if anything, American Citizen workers are being racially discriminated against.

You and everyone on here knows this is true but many just don’t want to admit it.

Wow, brazen racism in full form. It's because of this corporations and this country are doomed in the long run.

Get over it.