Thread regarding Cigna layoffs

HIH Clueless About Layoffs

Band 4 manager here. I’ve lost a lot of talent over the past year due to RIF. As ops has moved over to HIH there’s a whole team over there doing stuff we deal with. Their manager pulled me into a meeting to say his employees were complaining about mine. Mainly that we are slow to respond, and that my team isn’t “nice.”

I asked for specifics and if anyone was unprofessional or outright rude. Turned out the HIH team doesn’t like that my team is direct, asks them to repeat when they don’t understand due to language or the ask is unclear, takes initiative, and basically does stuff fast without explanation because we don’t have time and have too much to do.

More discussion led to him asking me to have my team slow down and be more “pleasant” and to engage in back and forth rather than just getting to the point. I told him my team complains that they get pinged with just “hi” and won’t respond unless there is something actionable too. He asked for us to spend more time helping his team with their work so the can learn and get better and that my team has told his they don’t have time. I agreed. And I said as long as they are being professional, I can’t expect more from them because they are watching their friends and coworkers lose jobs that are being given to HIH.

HIH manager was very surprised and didn’t realize that what was going on. I said as long as we meet SLA then that’s that and I don’t expect my team to respond same day for anything that isn’t a managed incident.

Anyone at HIH on this forum, be glad we are interacting with you professionally. I’ve had team members express downright hatred for HIH. Nothing against you personally, but Cigna is firing us to give you jobs, so don’t expect friendliness.

None of this is sustainable. I’ve told my Director to put me on the layoff list. When I have to bite my tongue to avoid yelling at HIH, and I get no answers from above other than more RIF is coming but my team is okay because we are 20:80, I can’t do it anymore.


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Post ID: @OP+1kkma5zc4

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Please please please if you are one of those people who just sends "hi", STOP that immediately! It is so obnoxious! It's like you are demanding our full attention for whatever comes next. Just tell us what you want to say! If it's small talk or unimportant, we may shut it down because we're too busy and you are disrupting our flow and train of thought. If it's not time sensitive, send an email with the details. Think about whether sending the direct message is the best method -- is there a better SME, process, or intake for this? Could you have easily found the information in an article or SOP? Stop hijacking people's time with your intrusive and vague "hello" message.

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Post ID: @1ek+1kkma5zc4

I'm sure your team appreciates that you understand and have stood up for them. I certainly would. Thanks for doing that. So many won't.

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Post ID: @140+1kkma5zc4

Yeah, the thing with HIH is once AI is deemed good to take over vast majority of ops roles, it will make less news when a mass firing of HIH happens than it would if this same tactic happened in USA.

They are “safe” for now, but make no mistake that Father Time will come and AI will replace their very replaceable operations role too.

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Post ID: @qn+1kkma5zc4

I support a critical app that anybody doing my job should know what to do without documentation. 101 type stuff that if you don’t know you have no business touching code or even be in IT.
My prompt for AI to rewrite my documentation for an SOP for it:
Rewrite this using doctoral thesis level language that will be difficult for AI to translate into Telagu or other Indian languages.
Leave out steps x, y, z
For every 7th step, add in a step to go back to a previous step if output isn’t what is expected
Add random word every 32nd word

I am in interviews for a new position. When I put in my notice I’ll be asked for
Documentation. When I hand it over I will say it is a draft and not complete but anyone taking my place will know what to do without it otherwise they shouldn’t have the job, and they shouldn’t go by my documentation.

They will use the documentation anyway and chaos will ensue. Avoidable if Cigna hired competent people who know what they are doing.

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Post ID: @j2+1kkma5zc4

I just don’t respond to anybody in India until after they leave for the day. That’s mid morning my time so it’s easy.

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Post ID: @bc+1kkma5zc4

@b2 it’s where you work doing absolutely nothing and somehow mess that up

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Post ID: @b5+1kkma5zc4

Yeah, they most definitely are aware

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Post ID: @b4+1kkma5zc4

HIH people knows about layoffs, because it was openly discussed in PI plannings and other team calls where they are also there

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Post ID: @b3+1kkma5zc4

What is HIH?

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Post ID: @b2+1kkma5zc4

Im glad im not the only one that gets pi---d off when the jeets engage with "hi" and having to wait for them to ask me something when im working on urgent matters.

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Post ID: @an+1kkma5zc4

Hi

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Post ID: @a5+1kkma5zc4

@a1 sounds like this persons team is barely helping them and that’s part of what they complain for. And I’ve heard if a team hits 70% HIH they won’t be cut more. But we can’t trust anything.

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Post ID: @a4+1kkma5zc4

You’re properly doing the needful.

Thank you

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Post ID: @a2+1kkma5zc4

If your team is actively helping them then they aren’t safe. There have been posts from a lot of people on this site that have lost their jobs after training/helping them. I wouldn’t trust them saying you’re safe either. Several were told that also and let go.

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