We all know this is the hot button issue right now. Management has created a downright demoralizing environment by their refusal to get with the times and allow more remote work. We’re now being told that (against HR policy) we need to be in 11 days a month no matter what. You were sick? Make up the day. On two weeks of vacation time? Make up the two weeks and add a day to the month. That means that even if you’ve gathered weeks of PTO and you want to go on a vacation and use 10 days of PTO you simply can’t because there are 20 working days in a month. I worked at another dinosaur bank just before coming here not long ago and even their RTO policy was less aggressive. I’m not sure why the obsession on being in office - are they just forcing attrition? Why continue to hire new talent if that’s the case as it is in my organization? Guess I need to dust off my resume again. This is getting ridiculous.
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Make up RTO days are not required when availing PTO. I hate RTO and hoteling as much as the next person but stop spreading misinformation.
@mq Tamarack or airpark?
Bed Bugs in the Owensboro, KY Office too! Obviously this method is working out perfectly!
@bw Agree. I have a dedicated work space and get far more work done at home than when I am in the office surrounded by people on calls all day. Not to mention I used to work 10-12 hours a day but with RTO and the commute, I put in my full eight and that's all. So I am not sure how this is better for the company and I still hate spending so much time in my car which is not good for the environment but perhaps the silver lining is my boundaries are much more clear.
@gv does owensboros office
@gv issues in conference rooms in the ND hub. They were fumigated like a month ago for bedbugs. No notifications sent out.
The corporate office in Hopkins MN has BED BUGS! Flexible seating means no one knows the source, so it’s likely not going to be easily resolved. Also, no official notification to affected employees.
@bs (how utterly appropriate)
If 1925 was so wonderful, roll it all back to the standards of the day. Don't be wishy washy. No half-measures
Until then, I'm not going to pick and choose which progress stays and which reverts. I'm living all the way in 2025. With or without you. Preferably without
Those are things that will happen to YOU. Believe it or not, others have different privileges 😀
@bs A wealth of research on the issue says you're wrong.
TIME DOES NOT NEED TO BE MADE UP
However, operations managers are now being held directly accountable for employee RTO numbers. So if you do not hit your 3 days per week, and have not taken approved time off of some sort, expect a conversation.
Polite verbal reminder. Documented verbal warning. Documented write up with HR involved. Then a PIP
Yes, they are forcing attrition. It's the only explanation. You either leave because you hate the new policy, or they fire you later. If you're lucky, maybe you just get laid off and get a severance package. They're not worried about losing key employees because they think the top performing employees will be the ones willing to come into the office five days a week. The current job market is absolutely a factor in this as well.
According to HR last week this isn’t true. PTO does not count against you. If your BL says otherwise open a case with HR.
@bs the world changed. People have different lives now and we don't want or need to be in an office. Not everyone wants to live the same way we did 100 years ago. Time to get with the times.
Yes boot lick and bend at the knee for fear of worse treatment. How about the 70k people say enough is enough and let the 10 at top do all the work. I bet the change course really fast. Unfortunately most people will do as told and feel grateful for the bad treatment.
Work is done on office. No better place in 100+ years. Home is for family issues. Family ties, family matters, family feud, and all in the family. Been done for decades. No fighting the normal occurrence
@bk yep and the people refusing to go in and dragging their feet/screaming about it all the time will be the ones responsible for when they go "5 days a week no exceptions".
I hate it. It's stupid. We all know it's stupid. We all equally hate it. But those that are still being difficult and refusing are making life harder for the rest of us that just want to do our 3 days a week and be left alone. Like, stop. We hate you as much as we hate RTO. Just go into the godda-n office so we can retain some flexibility.
@b7 is 100% correct. I don’t agree with it at all. Let me be clear on it. I HATE it. However, the constant focus on it is just going to eventually lead to 5 days/week. Came from someone high in HR. I get it’s a disaster, not consistent, confusing, not clear….but complaining will do no good. If you plan on staying, just gotta do your best. If not, you’re out the door in a sh---y job market that only has open jobs in office. Sure there will be a few remote but be prepared for MASSIVE competition with those jobs. Again, I hate it but fighting it is futile. They’ll just replace you. Facts
@a1 Be aware that you will probably be fired before the end of 2025 if you take that stance. Just letting you know.
@a3 "No one will fight for your rights besides you."
This is all one needs to know. Let it sink in.
@b2 go away you troll bot. Nobody is fighting it. Again. The direction being given isn't consistent. We all hate it. But ffs just decide on a policy. Management has totally lost the plot and HR isn't stepping in to govern. It's ridiculous.
Being in an office doesn't help stock price. Better management, updated systems, and a hiring policy that supports talent does. So, stfu
I don’t know why management and HR can’t get on the same page with this. The whole rto project was a disaster, not just because it was rto but because of how it was managed and the lack of clear and consistent information.
I know management is under pressure to deliver on RTO performance, but (to my understanding) HR hasn’t asked them to do what you’re describing. Can you keep referring your managers to the published faqs and formal documentation?
No one will fight for your rights besides you.
@a1 That's great for you if that's viable. But for most of us, a terrible job market and the need for income keeps us captive.
And I will counter that by becoming more agressive about working remote. It is a two-way street.