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The difference between real leaders and empty suits

I've been doing this work for a very, very long time, and the best managers I ever had were the ones who listened more than they talked. They cared about their people and helped us succeed. These days, it's all talk and no substance. I don't even bother with all hands meetings anymore because there's never any real information or direction.


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Post ID: @OP+1kt4521kr

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@aa

Real engineers have protected titles.
Real architects have protected titles.

More laws on fraudulently using these titles are coming

You are NOT professional engineers.
You are NOT architects.

You manage software. Period.

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Post ID: @1gz+1kt4521kr

real leaders don't work for Cisco

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Post ID: @1fy+1kt4521kr

Real leaders will schedule 12 months of work as 12 months of work, not 1-3 months which still won't meet release criteria after 3 years with a group which grows to many times the size of the original group.

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Post ID: @1fn+1kt4521kr

Most ICs don't listen and place a higher value on their skills than the real street value. In other words you think you are worth more than you are and know more than you do. Most of you would be watching dummy lights on third shift at any other company. Ask any of those other geniuses and "great engineers" who have been unemployed for over a year now because a LOT of you will be there next slice.

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Post ID: @19q+1kt4521kr

Managers in some parts of Cisco do absolutely NOTHING apart from collecting RSUs!!!

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Post ID: @cm+1kt4521kr

I've been doing this work for a very, very long time, and the best employees I ever had were the ones who listened more than they talked. They cared about their work and helped us succeed. These days, it's all talk and no substance. I don't even bother with all hands meetings anymore because no one listens to any real information or direction.

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Post ID: @ck+1kt4521kr

@aj a lot of people in tech aren't listening. They are only being quiet waiting for their turn to speak. In their minds they are the only ones with something relevant to say.

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Post ID: @bg+1kt4521kr

@OP IMO the listening bit is true most of the the time if not 100% of it. it is pretty easy to spot when someone is not listening and if they are not, they do not care about the speaker or what that person has to offer but rather the next thing they are going to say.

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Post ID: @aj+1kt4521kr

Remind me, what's the difference between real engineers and cisco engineers?

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Post ID: @aa+1kt4521kr

The amount of bs trainings is too damn high!

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