So I received 2 inconsistently meets reviews in a row. I started to turn things around, and then I made a mistake. The mistake got my manager in trouble. He's telling me that I will now get another bad review. I've heard that it's 3 strikes and you're out. My manager is telling me that it's up to HR, but I might make it. I asked for a heads up so I could resign before being fired, and he said he couldn't do that. Which way should I jump? I'm an older worker, and the job market is bad enough without the stigma of being fired. I heard from a coworker that if your manager wants to keep you, they can overrule HR. Not sure that's true in the current environment.
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2 IMs is grounds for termination - your manager is a key stakeholder in the decisioning.
@q5 FMLA does not protect you from layoff.
@nc+1 if you were laid off from Wells last year why are you still trolling this page? Get over it move on. Commenting on a company that kick you to the curb years later is giving desperate vibes.
@q5, OP didn't say anything about having a legit reason to go on FMLA leave. sounds like you're suggesting that OP falsify a reason to game the system (like you did). that's unethical and gross. that type of abuse undermines the whole system for people who actually need FMLA. not to mention all the colleagues OP would be sc--wing over by taking leave for no good reason. people like you are a drain on society.
take FMLA (family medical leave Act) - find a PhD licensed psychiatrist to sign off on it - and you can take three months protected, leave off of work for mental health issues which I’m sure that you must be having by now
If you live in California, you will be paid for disability for three months by California, because California collects money for disability in case you need to go on it… just be sure to get your FMLA paperwork in order to submit to California within 45 days after the start of your FMLA - during the time that you were gone, supposedly your job is protected (but who knows with this crooked company and in this crocked economy)
FMLA is a federal mandate and you are entitled to it
Supposedly when you come back, they can’t get rid of you for another 90 days because it looks retaliatory
I was able to take FMLA when I was going through something similar
for those of you saying "HR will push" (or similar)
HR doesn't actually set any of these policies or make exceptions. they are just the message-bearers.
The performance policy since last fall has been - 2 IM or NI in a row (my/ye or ye/my) and that's an involuntary termination (firing, no severance)
Surprising OP has not gotten fired already with 2 IMs. it is absolutely coming - OP you should be job searching/preparing.
Don't quit - even with a termination you are eligible for unemployment (unless the termination was for breaking the law) "underperformance" is not considered to be the employee's fault by the unemployment state authorities. Ironic isn't it?
I am surprised you are still there, with a meets and two exceeds, still I was let go last year. Thankfully, found a great opportunity within a month.
@f4+1ksp22a2q ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️. thank you for carrying that torch
@a4 I too agree with a4… You never know …as has been said, being fired is not handled as it was 30 or so years ago, where specifics of firing is revealed by a former employer… all the potential employer knows is the title you had and the dates that you were employed.
that'll be the last time you let the texture in the ice cream machine get grainy.
2 strikes means HR will push for no severance and a termination for poor performance.
3 IMs in a row means HR will want you out immediately. Start prepping. Let them fire you.
@OP . Yes, the manager can overrule HR if they want. But if you resign, you have no income. Let them fire you so you can collect unemployment until you find a job. They cannot tel your new employer that you were fired.
So your manager wrote you up for an honest mistake? And then said that maybe HR won’t do anything about it. Hmm- why did the manager even write you up? What kind of workplace is this? This seems like a recipe for people to cover up their mistakes.
OP, why didn't you look elsewhere after the first two reviews? If management starts documenting IM patterns on your performance, whether it's warranted or not, that's rarely a sign that your job is safe.
I don’t know if Wells verifies employment through TALX (The Work Number), or a similar service, but they generally only record the dates you worked, you last comp amount and maybe your title. Some services also show if you are “rehire eligible,” but it wouldn’t say fired or terminated directly.
Unless you’re FINRA-licensed, in which case circumstances of your termination go into a shared industry dossier, future employers have no way of knowing whether you left voluntarily or involuntarily. (Barring such information reaching them through the grapevine, of course.). Wells will only provide dates of employment.
it's normally 2 strikes you're out these days so you're already on borrowed time. HR always tries to claim these and other decisions are "up to the business" but that's bullsh-t since it generally takes approval from the manager's manager's manager (or higher) to go against HR, which most managers would never even try to get for fear of jeopardizing their own job. but even with all that said, i'm inclined to agree with @a4 since you never know -- you might get lucky.
Termination for a mistake or performance can get you unemployment benefits through the state, as long as it was not intentional.
Why resign? You may get a layoff package.
Firing no longer holds any stigma. It's the same as resigning.
You're toast. I suggest retirement. Drinks with umbrellas on a beach in Mexico. Your money goes a LOT further outside of the US.