Thread regarding Optum layoffs

@3sq because he's morally bankrupt and a charity case. Word is Z getting ready to fire him due to all the complaints but thats unproven. Make your voices heard (survey, anonymous reporting to HR, report any policy violations etc . Calling people stupid, slow, not working 10x and mentally torturing people is a VIOLATION that needs to be reported. He was on a call today how India team is doing SO GREAT..not a mention of gratitude or an ounce of appreciation of onshore employees who work their a-s off fixing offshore quality problems.

@3rh this is correct. And Sh--Chariis SriChari. Some call him Charity, not sure why. Nothing charitable about him!

@3hn what department?

Not sure if I have the initials right (WTHeck can't everyone use real words, instead of acronyms?)
JZ = Jennifer Zmuda
MT = Milin Trivedi
JD = Julie Durham?

@3qg We are going to make it seen. Employees and Former employees, Let’s Go!!!!

@382 this needs to be posted everywhere!

Why is this thread not blowing up..

@3hj he is upper management or exec level...

@3hm JZ is Zmuda . The other 2 I had to check— it's Julie and some milind.. now who t f is that. I have been here for 20+ years and never heard the name before. His pic looks vile though — he's leading ETIPS, the most toxic department, so not surprised his name made it to this layoff discussion. I am 32 —happy to help.

The June 25th layoff is much bigger than the ones over the past couple months. I know some of the people I have to get let go are being replaced by folks in India. There is a reason why us managers haven't been alowed to hire Americans for any of our job reqs for the past year.

@3gw Why post initials so we can't follow what you are saying? This is an anon forum.

@3hj considering he mentioned offsite meetings I am guessing he's a Sr VP or elt level. They have too much time on their hand to network, lurk on SM because everything gets done for them with one IM or a phone call.

@3d7 how do you know all this? Crystal ball?

@3aj it's being done in waves to soften the blow. Some sr VPs have started taking about this openly.

@3d7 JZ, JD, MT will make sure those waves are hitting hard and long, with high tide. Mark my words, I know because I am in the inner circle. There are many hints if you looks hard enough. For one compare the my Learning notifications. Are you being included in the new long duration courses? That's one hint. Are you not being asked for status reports? You are probably next. If your manager's manager and above are disinterested in your teams work. Bo-m. I have a long list..I know because I am part of the pipeline. Not saying this to worry you. My recommendation...work minimum, enjoy life, apply for external roles with competitors and other sectors, especially if you are in IT roles.. even offshore will be hit next year with emphasis being laid on contractors vs FTEs. Good luck.

@3aj yes they are doing it in waves. Through Dec 1st week. The crew decided to do in "waves" as they called it during the offsite meetings. If you got a 1 or 2 you are most likely gone. 3, 4, 5 depends on team, pay, role. If you are not using copilot twice a week, you are gone. If you on a legacy system you are gone. If you working on cloud support, monitoring, you are gone as that's being outsourced. If you are just front end or dashboard developer, you are gone. TCS got it. If you are supporting saas platforms, you are gone as Accenture is going to support that. All migrations work is being outsourced to Wipro, TCS, Accenture, so if you are involved in migration you are gone. Disaster testing...gone. Accenture now has a tool and team for that. Service now, support, tech support, workday? Gone..to the new offshore GCCs. Not from preferred or from a high cost consultaning firm...gone. none of the above? You can still be be offshored to meet , targets 70-30, 80-20 or 90-10 depending on the team/platform. Start networking, start applying outside . Start SAVING, delay having babies if you can't afford to be unemployed. I am senior executive and that's my advise out of the kindness of my heart, as I see people suffer.

@3aj yuuuuuuuge

Any update on Jun layoffs? I am hearing it'll be HUGE

@386 sorry you are dealing with this, been there myself. I told my Indian onshore manager (I am in US remote) I cannot work after 5 unless it's a true emergency and that I am not dropping things I am working on because someone above has a random nin urgent question. It's it's urgent, I'll respond with urgency, otherwise it'll get on my backlog and gd can tell his VP to wait for x days before the research can be done. I also told them I am going to block focus hours and lunch (45 mins) for my mental health. I am productive 8 hours a day and will always make exceptions. I sent them I writing and surprisingly their tone changed and it's been a lot better since then. Try that, be nice and professional. And stand your ground when they break rules. I also told my offshore team not to work over 9 hours unless it's an emergency situation. And to log off after 10 pm. They are super happy and infact their productivity has gone up. Not sure why Indian managers don't get this basic management style.

@385 that's because their Indian managers have groomed them to be scared so everything n ki-led any critical/autonomous thinking.

@OP ShitCharity will layoff everyone. Then zmuda will fire his a-s n hire a white American CIO after Indians finishes her dirty job. When will middle management Indians learn they are not respected but used by white people to do the hard and dirty work...I am glad the younger new batches are much better and don't give a sh-t about their managers mismanagement.
I am Indian but grew up in a relaxed Midwest town and after being here for 3 years I now have to take Xanax. I am writing HR about my Indian managers lack of sense of decency and being clueless about American values and culture. I applaud the younger Indian engineers not surrendering to their managers whims but it'll be another decade before the disgusting middle management all age out. They all have diabetes and blood pressure/heart issues due to constant stress from playing politics, so hopefully sooner. Sad I am even saying this but I don't see any other way.

The Indians workers can't make basic decisions. They have to ask 3 layers of management above them to give you a yes or no answer. I'm surprised they are capable of dressing themselves in the morning.

@382 omg lol. This is so TRUE, couldn't have said that better myself

@2v3 he's gotten worse. He's pushing AI even harder. N wants 100x performance from Indians.

Not surprised. uhg is one of the most toxic place to work. Indian managers are horrible. No sense of basic courtesy, no concept of work life balance, they work all the time and all they do is churn out slop. Micromanaging constantly. Their only mission is to kiss senior management a-s nonstop at the expense of their team members well being. The American executive laugh behind their back. I would apply elsewhere. Now they realize they can milk the sh-t out of their Indian managers by n cutting people as these managers will do anything to keep their brown noses nice n wet with fresh sh-t

@2dv SriCharity aks Sh--Charithe brown noser is in India. My only wish is he stays there permanently and leave us American engineers alone. I am sick and tired of his non-stop demands which the VPs and the sr. Directors take out on us. It's no stop perform perform perform. It's ridiculous

@28s SriCrarity, Zmudas brown-noser)he had a huge nose too) is on India plotting how to move American Jobs to India.

@25x that was always the plan. Look into the announcement they made today. Wake up

They opened a massive GCC offshore location in Chennai, India today. It can seat 1000s of people, IT, tech support, back office etc. For the naysayer do you really think they opened that without plans of huge layoffs in US?

@24n So they just decided to move the goalposts? Lol why wait?

@1xd yes because the massive one is actually next quarter.

Looks like it was not that massive on 28th. Only a few here and there but contractors are being impacted..

@vy very likely.. people working 10jrs a day deploying code actively are being laid off so can't imagine someone with no with slipping through the cracks for long

@vy likey to be rif if you don't have any work. I doubt they'll want to keep people with not enough work when people working 10hrs a day and doing git commits daily and doing Devops are getting laid off..

@qj did he delegate all his work to an offshore manager before PTO? Happened with one of managers in the past and he never returned. I tried to ask and was silenced saying it was a unplanned personal situation only to later find out he was let go.

@vy Likely. The reorg was done for once sole purpose - RIF

@y5 org charts show counts under each person

@y5 org chart shows the counts of direct and indirect reports for each person on chart....

@qq Perhaps a d-mb q, but how do we "view" total employee counts?

Out team moved under ETIPS effective today. Dues these mean I'll be fired? We have no work.