ETIPS, legacy network infra/engineering, Cloud migration BS architects, bs data architects, Onprem legacy engineering and architecture, contact center contractors and middle management FTEs and legacy engineering teams, teams in legacy applications being off boarded with next few years are being trimmed as well. I got this info directly from an executive level resource who has no idea I lurk around here helping people. Shoot any question you have and I can find out more
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@46z no idea.,what is PCC?
Any word on PCC from optum specialty department ?
@43e wondering on technicians and PCC
@3z4 yes that's one of the impacted division. What role are you in?
@3aj I like to know if any lay offs in Specialty Pharmacy
@3y6 still great z-horror comedy. Enjoyed reading it!
@3xw it's AI slop
@3xm BEST comment ever on layoff! Thank you for posting. I have sent this to my private trusted Snapchat employees group where we share all kinds of insights.
Here's a short horror-fiction version inspired by the themes in this chat. Enjoy!
Red October
The rumors started in March.
At first, people disappeared one at a time. A manager's calendar went dark. A director's name vanished from the org chart overnight. Their desks remained untouched for weeks, monitors glowing faintly in empty cubicles like candles in a mausoleum.
Management said nothing.
They smiled during town halls. They spoke of transformation, efficiency, and global growth. Meanwhile, new faces appeared on late-night calls from overseas offices. The headcount reports never seemed to change, even as entire teams quietly evaporated.
Then came the India trips.
Z and her loyal shadows spent months there. Officially, they were attending leadership summits and strategy sessions. Unofficially, people whispered that they were building something. Preparing for something.
Nobody knew exactly what.
I saw pieces others didn't.
Meeting invites labeled confidential. Budget transfers that made no sense. Directories filled with names that hadn't existed a month before. New directors waiting in the wings while old ones unknowingly prepared their own replacements.
The date appeared repeatedly in documents that should never have crossed my screen.
October.
No explanation. Just October.
One evening I stayed late and noticed a spreadsheet open on a shared drive. Thousands of names. Beside each was a date. Most were in the future.
Some of the names belonged to people sitting twenty feet away from me.
At the bottom of the list was a final entry:
December, Week 1 — Complete Cleaning.
Cleaning.
Not layoffs. Not restructuring.
Cleaning.
That night I checked the employee directory again.
Something felt wrong.
The number of employees displayed at the top hadn't changed in months.
Yet I knew hundreds were gone.
I started counting names manually.
The total was impossible.
There were more active employees listed than existed in the company.
Some entries had no photos. No manager. No employment history.
Just names.
Watching.
Waiting.
Holding places.
The next morning, the spreadsheet was gone.
By October, nobody mentioned the missing people anymore. It was as if they had never worked there at all.
Only the headcount remained, frozen and smiling from executive presentations.
A perfect illusion.
And then I found my own name on the list.
No date.
Just one word beside it.
Observer.
I searched for answers. That search eventually led me here.
But I've already said too much.
If this post disappears, you'll know why.
And if your employee directory suddenly shows the same number tomorrow as it did today...
Start counting.
@3x1 This thread is not only hilarious but also therapeutic and informative. I hope your day gets better my dear :)
@2v3 Your comment made my day 😂
@3rh Cause putting their names will get your comment or post deleted! They should be somewhat anonymous too so talk in code.i knew who they were without spelling out their names. Not cool!
This thread is as toxic as the workplace. Ge-z. Bye
@3sq because he's morally bankrupt and a charity case. Word is Z getting ready to fire him due to all the complaints but thats unproven. Make your voices heard (survey, anonymous reporting to HR, report any policy violations etc . Calling people stupid, slow, not working 10x and mentally torturing people is a VIOLATION that needs to be reported. He was on a call today how India team is doing SO GREAT..not a mention of gratitude or an ounce of appreciation of onshore employees who work their a-s off fixing offshore quality problems.
@3rh this is correct. And Sh--Chariis SriChari. Some call him Charity, not sure why. Nothing charitable about him!
@3hn what department?
Not sure if I have the initials right (WTHeck can't everyone use real words, instead of acronyms?)
JZ = Jennifer Zmuda
MT = Milin Trivedi
JD = Julie Durham?
@3qg We are going to make it seen. Employees and Former employees, Let’s Go!!!!
@382 this needs to be posted everywhere!
Why is this thread not blowing up..
@3hj he is upper management or exec level...
@3hm JZ is Zmuda . The other 2 I had to check— it's Julie and some milind.. now who t f is that. I have been here for 20+ years and never heard the name before. His pic looks vile though — he's leading ETIPS, the most toxic department, so not surprised his name made it to this layoff discussion. I am 32 —happy to help.
The June 25th layoff is much bigger than the ones over the past couple months. I know some of the people I have to get let go are being replaced by folks in India. There is a reason why us managers haven't been alowed to hire Americans for any of our job reqs for the past year.
@3gw Why post initials so we can't follow what you are saying? This is an anon forum.
@3hj considering he mentioned offsite meetings I am guessing he's a Sr VP or elt level. They have too much time on their hand to network, lurk on SM because everything gets done for them with one IM or a phone call.
@3d7 how do you know all this? Crystal ball?
@3aj it's being done in waves to soften the blow. Some sr VPs have started taking about this openly.
@3d7 JZ, JD, MT will make sure those waves are hitting hard and long, with high tide. Mark my words, I know because I am in the inner circle. There are many hints if you looks hard enough. For one compare the my Learning notifications. Are you being included in the new long duration courses? That's one hint. Are you not being asked for status reports? You are probably next. If your manager's manager and above are disinterested in your teams work. Bo-m. I have a long list..I know because I am part of the pipeline. Not saying this to worry you. My recommendation...work minimum, enjoy life, apply for external roles with competitors and other sectors, especially if you are in IT roles.. even offshore will be hit next year with emphasis being laid on contractors vs FTEs. Good luck.
@3aj yes they are doing it in waves. Through Dec 1st week. The crew decided to do in "waves" as they called it during the offsite meetings. If you got a 1 or 2 you are most likely gone. 3, 4, 5 depends on team, pay, role. If you are not using copilot twice a week, you are gone. If you on a legacy system you are gone. If you working on cloud support, monitoring, you are gone as that's being outsourced. If you are just front end or dashboard developer, you are gone. TCS got it. If you are supporting saas platforms, you are gone as Accenture is going to support that. All migrations work is being outsourced to Wipro, TCS, Accenture, so if you are involved in migration you are gone. Disaster testing...gone. Accenture now has a tool and team for that. Service now, support, tech support, workday? Gone..to the new offshore GCCs. Not from preferred or from a high cost consultaning firm...gone. none of the above? You can still be be offshored to meet , targets 70-30, 80-20 or 90-10 depending on the team/platform. Start networking, start applying outside . Start SAVING, delay having babies if you can't afford to be unemployed. I am senior executive and that's my advise out of the kindness of my heart, as I see people suffer.
@3aj yuuuuuuuge
Any update on Jun layoffs? I am hearing it'll be HUGE
@386 sorry you are dealing with this, been there myself. I told my Indian onshore manager (I am in US remote) I cannot work after 5 unless it's a true emergency and that I am not dropping things I am working on because someone above has a random nin urgent question. It's it's urgent, I'll respond with urgency, otherwise it'll get on my backlog and gd can tell his VP to wait for x days before the research can be done. I also told them I am going to block focus hours and lunch (45 mins) for my mental health. I am productive 8 hours a day and will always make exceptions. I sent them I writing and surprisingly their tone changed and it's been a lot better since then. Try that, be nice and professional. And stand your ground when they break rules. I also told my offshore team not to work over 9 hours unless it's an emergency situation. And to log off after 10 pm. They are super happy and infact their productivity has gone up. Not sure why Indian managers don't get this basic management style.
@385 that's because their Indian managers have groomed them to be scared so everything n ki-led any critical/autonomous thinking.
@OP ShitCharity will layoff everyone. Then zmuda will fire his a-s n hire a white American CIO after Indians finishes her dirty job. When will middle management Indians learn they are not respected but used by white people to do the hard and dirty work...I am glad the younger new batches are much better and don't give a sh-t about their managers mismanagement.
I am Indian but grew up in a relaxed Midwest town and after being here for 3 years I now have to take Xanax. I am writing HR about my Indian managers lack of sense of decency and being clueless about American values and culture. I applaud the younger Indian engineers not surrendering to their managers whims but it'll be another decade before the disgusting middle management all age out. They all have diabetes and blood pressure/heart issues due to constant stress from playing politics, so hopefully sooner. Sad I am even saying this but I don't see any other way.
The Indians workers can't make basic decisions. They have to ask 3 layers of management above them to give you a yes or no answer. I'm surprised they are capable of dressing themselves in the morning.
@382 omg lol. This is so TRUE, couldn't have said that better myself
@2v3 he's gotten worse. He's pushing AI even harder. N wants 100x performance from Indians.
Not surprised. uhg is one of the most toxic place to work. Indian managers are horrible. No sense of basic courtesy, no concept of work life balance, they work all the time and all they do is churn out slop. Micromanaging constantly. Their only mission is to kiss senior management a-s nonstop at the expense of their team members well being. The American executive laugh behind their back. I would apply elsewhere. Now they realize they can milk the sh-t out of their Indian managers by n cutting people as these managers will do anything to keep their brown noses nice n wet with fresh sh-t
@2dv SriCharity aks Sh--Charithe brown noser is in India. My only wish is he stays there permanently and leave us American engineers alone. I am sick and tired of his non-stop demands which the VPs and the sr. Directors take out on us. It's no stop perform perform perform. It's ridiculous
@28s SriCrarity, Zmudas brown-noser)he had a huge nose too) is on India plotting how to move American Jobs to India.