This place is a disaster and is not going anywhere but straight down to the bottom of the ocean. Just a bunch of incompetent bench warmers just pretending to work for an underpaid salary. Would rather use that time for something productive instead of pretending to work and dealing with the BS at this company
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@sd couldnt have said it better, always be interviewing, there is no real downside other than some wasted time and huge potential upside
If anything it is good that you are still taking interviews when you get them. Better to have an idea of what is out there and stay up to date. Keeping interviewing skills sharp is never a bad idea.
If you are terminated for not meeting your smart objectives....do you still get a severance so long as it's an Involuntary Separation?
I've been job hunting intensely since March wanting to badly leave Ford. Worst job market since 2008-2009. LinkedIn is mostly filled with fake jobs, spammers, and ghost jobs. I'm hearing the few legitimate jobs are getting 1000 to 2000 applicants getting filtered by AI.
@p1 if you have been at Ford for 10 years, no company is going to value that experience enough to pay you more
Be careful what you wish for. Unless you have been at Ford for over 10+ years without a promotion, it's harder than you think to walk into a higher paying job.
@mw When the smear campaign comes, or they falsify official documents. Make up fake official reports, you hope to go quietly and take the career sabotage and defamation? I see. When your intellectual property is taken, credit is attributed unjustly, etc.. and your time has come not on amicable truth but on intentional targeting while history is rewritten, you hope to go quietly? I see man. I'd love to go quietly knowing the truth and not being lied to and on terms where they don't weaken me and coerce me into forced labor.
@nf Missed the joke, they are in the figurative "CYA group chat" that was originally mentioned. They weren't serious.
The rest of the response is powerful and resonates with a lot of what’s been shared here, but I think both comments might actually be on the same side, just different delivery styles. One used a dagger, the other a flamethrower.
@n7 Save the boot-licking fairy-tale for your Dad’s golf group.
The only thing more rotten than HR at Ford is the audacity of someone pretending the system “works fine” when it systematically chews up anyone who isn’t affluent, well-connected, or clinically masochistic.
I wish the world spun the way you describe. Where logic always defeats politics. At Ford, bringing the truth sometimes just makes you a bigger target. Plenty of employees pour hours into bulletproof reports, and the response is recycled lines without even addressing or understanding its context saying “miscommunication” “this is normal” or “culture fit”, followed by viral gossip that sours your next exit interview. Facts don’t beat power when the person holding the red pen needs to protect their own bonus.
Your HR worked FOR you, not because HR is good, but because your network made HR afraid to be bad. The babysitter line is tired gas-lighting dressed up as tough love. Nice try, the same playbook traps victims in a hostile mobbing environment, forcing them to litigate libel while their career defamation clock starts.
Nothing here on this board smells like “didn’t click with their supervisor". Hr loves to frame a complainant “too emotional” while simultaneously padding a retaliation folder with invented productivity flags: “disengaged, arrogant, impatient". Hr conducts instrumental gas-lighting designed to exhaust, isolate, and eventually push the person into giving up on contesting broken rules + legal issues under the veneer of “HR concluded it’s all interpersonal". When evidence is ignored, “breaking a rule or the law” does not yield “good results” at Ford. It yields threats sent to decade-old e-mail accounts and an April-Fool’s “symbolic” promotion. The company then ends up waving NDAs under intentional distress so the unsalvageable leak never leaves the building.
Calling this scenario “people just not liking their boss” is sociopathic revisionism of hostile-environment crimes disguised as personality conflict.
Most of us hit HR with crystal-clear evidence, only to watch investigators skip the attachments and summarily close the case. If you had to choose between rent or paying a lawyer to keep the complaint alive, you’d see the gap between your experience and the rest of us.
When coworkers without a financial cushion raise grievances, “bring facts” becomes code for “drain your savings proving you were wronged”. What looks like successful bureaucracy from the balcony sounds like a meat-grinder to everyone actually on the floor.
If we weren’t invisible to them, they wouldn’t dare take advantage of us.
They don’t pull this nonsense with the ones who can push back by hiring counsel like lawyers, taking time off for safety, or calling in powerful favors. They prey on the ones who can’t afford to burn bridges or take six months off while fighting internal retaliation. These people are destroying lives.
They target the ones who can’t afford to burn bridges or risk being blackballed due to mischaracterization. A system that works only for some isn’t a system you can trust. They know we can't defend ourselves, that is why we are targets from the very beginning until the very end, drawing hope on each system internally and out. When people like us try? We are made into examples for what happens when you don't have privilege.
@cv I had a good experience with speak up, it worked when I wanted something reviewed. From what I've seen most of the frustration with HR comes from people treating them like babysitters. If someone's breaking a rule or the law expect good results; if you don't like someone you work with or your supervisor or feel you've been mistreated, good luck.
Michigan plain stinks for jobs and roads. It has for many years even before all the constant job cuts at the oval. Nobody is ever going to get from point a to b in an easy fashion in the metro area. There really are a very limited number of job openings in michigan. Engineering and IT are not going to find employment easy in the state. Sadly out of state is most appealing.
When my time comes I hope I go quietly without a lot of screaming and running around
@cv If you fight for your integrity, they will label you as demanding, impatient, lacking empathy etc. Especially when questions are reasonable and under fair timings. They try to teach you a lesson each time you do and add on more problems instead of the original one. By the end of it all, you got 5000 distractions instead of the original thing. They try to exhaust you and make you let it go. They hold mobility that was guaranteed hostage because you questioned their integrity. They can call you arrogant, dodge you and make work not productive intentionally to undermine you, but if you react... he-l breaks loose. If they do something wrong, it's not wrong. It's a teacher and student relationship, where the student is portrayed as a trouble maker. The labeling there is crazy. If you end up checking them and calling it out through evidence, they'll start telling you to accept the career sabotage and character defamation and they'll let you go from the 'disciplinary' process. All while all your previous and prior concerns are completely washed away, gone with the wind. Past is the past! SMFH
@cp It’s a noob parade in a noob's paradise, led by noob HR and Senior Leadership hiring more noobs. Whole roster looks like the blind leading the brainless. And if you’re not a noob? Don’t worry, they’ll beat you down until you look like one. On paper, you’ll fit right in with the rest of the mediocrity.
They’re running a full-scale dum--ss assembly line. Instead of learning like a grown-up, they cheat their way forward. So much for box building-work in our schools. Like a little group chat where they trade social capital under CYA as its accepted currency. When the machine grinds on manipulation instead of merit, all you get is a longer line of mo--ns.
RIP EDIFICATION. Don't steal a candle to read a bible.
I had a co-worker who had these thoughts. I was laid off , but he stayed. There was no logical sense in anything how they do lay offs. it is always like lay off, hire new, lay off and repeat. The HR is useless and LL0 is useless to spot the i-dio7ts. Noone can speak up at Ford, this is why the company is a loser and everyone working there becomes a loser eventually. You blame the company, but you should blame yourself working there for idi70ts. All wrong.
Poor performance won’t get any severance
@OP. Good for you! However, not all of us are in the same boat. I don't think everyone can get another job in 5 months... Ageism is real, job market is "weird" with postings that never hire, open positions pay less and demand more, many applicants for each posting... IDK. It is tough out there.
If I lose my job at Ford, so be it. I'll find another one, but I won't be happy losing mine. I just don't think I'll find a better one. I have been looking for a while now, and I found two jobs similar to mine at Ford. Both times I got to the final interview, but I was not chosen.
if you are sitting around the bench waiting for a severance then you sound like you are describing yourself: "Just a bunch of incompetent bench warmers just pretending to work for an underpaid salary. Would rather use that time for something productive instead of pretending to work and dealing with the BS at this company"
Security will be happy to walk you out the door. That is what you will get.
Then what?
May take longer to find another job if you have less than 10 exp