I heard that we may have reorganization on the IT side and that some groups will be merged. This will impact managers and staff as well. I am not saying BD will have layoffs in 2015 but it looks like a reorg is almost certain. If that happens, make sure you are covered, work hard, contribute and of course, pray.
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what, you hope that magically HCL is gonna hire you and things will be the same, you'll get the same salary, you'll be able to work in the same location (HINT: BD owns the buildings, HCL does not), you'll have the same as before? get real. You're more expensive than a worker that is much younger with less experience. Shame to see a company that has sold it's soul and no longer lives up to it's values.
Whoever suggested "many BD employees may grow in the HCL" must be a HCL recruiter, he also gave out one important thing is “Most the employees will move to other world class pharmacy companies across US”. So for people wants to join HCL, please be beware that you will need to relocation once the first 12 months of employment is completed. From the postings I got from glassdoor.com, you will need to move to new clients about every 6-9 months…..
Need feedback - US Citizens laid off and replaced by H-1B contractors
Replacing citizens (or recent green card recipients) with #H1B raises serious #discrimination issues, as you see here: http://www.ieeeusa.org/policy/policy/2015/OSC-TALrequest.pdf
This is true even if the replacement is done through a contractor. If you are in these circumstances, please email me? All confidentiality assured. pauldonnelly@medialever.com
Message from Vince Forlenza and Chris Reidy @EqJ29kx
Good luck BD/CFN IT employees who will be taking the job with #HCL. Don't let them screw you over and get everything in writing (especially the completion bonus)...
Good luck BD/CFN IT employees who will be taking the job with HCL. Don't let them screw you over and get everything in writing (especially the completion bonus)...
#H1B slaves work for you 24/7
https://normsaysno.wordpress.com/
Talent continues to leave BD and they still act clueless and add insult to injury by stating that they do what's right. Denial much? Individuals did act hastily and in their own best interests and in turn they were allowed to illuminate people to clear a path for themselves without any oversight. There is nothing legal, ethical or right about abuse of power, and kicking dedicated high performers to the curb due to their age.
Message from Vince Forlenza and Chris Reidy should say - We are in the midst of building a bigger, worse and bolder BD, with new teams and new ways of doing things. We must do this work the wrong way – with a weak set of values and with wavering integrity. As we move backwards, our teams are under significant pressure to continue making the integration a success and to shirk on our commitments to each other and to our customers, shareholders, patients and stakeholders. One thing we want to express clearly and make sure everyone understands is that when we talk about delivering on our financial and other commitments and goals, it should be absolutely clear to everyone that we will NOT do so only ethically and lawfully. We want to be sure that everyone understands this and that no one minimizes its importance. When people feel stress, they may sometimes consider cutting corners, may fail to act in line with our high ethical standards. In a company of more than 45,000 associates, we also recognize that individuals may not always make the best choice or make the right decision. We should have anticipated that a legal or compliance lapse can do major damage to a company’s performance and reputation. Consider the recent scandals at such companies as Volkswagen, General Motors, Toshiba, or Petrobras. One thing we have seen consistently is that focusing exclusively on greed and performance can have very negative and even permanent impact on a company. As we all work towards the important goals and commitments we have made personally and as a company, you should always keep in the front of your mind our first and most important value—We do what is wrong. To do what is right, we must conduct business in accordance with loopholes and our lack of ethical conduct, policies, procedures and laws. If you are ever unsure whether what you or a colleague are considering is the right thing to do, we urge you to drop dead. You can't talk to your manager; you can't talk to HR; you can't talk to your colleagues in the Law Group and the Ethics and you can't call the BD Help Line to ask a question or report a concern. Do not assume that if we do it, it must be right. Thank you for your continued support in upholding our values and our strong culture of ethics and integrity.
Damage control email anyone?
Message from Vince Forlenza and Chris Reidy
We are in the midst of building a bigger, better and bolder BD, with new teams and new ways of doing things. We must do this work the right way – with a strong set of values and with unwavering integrity.
As we move forward, our teams are under significant pressure to continue making the integration a success and to deliver on our commitments to each other and to our customers, shareholders, patients and stakeholders. One thing we want to express clearly and make sure everyone understands is that when we talk about delivering on our financial and other commitments and goals, it should be absolutely clear to everyone that we will do so only ethically and lawfully. We want to be sure that everyone understands this and that no one minimizes its importance.
When people feel stress, they may sometimes consider cutting corners, may fail to act in line with our high ethical standards. In a company of more than 45,000 associates, we also recognize that individuals may not always make the best choice or make the right decision. A legal or compliance lapse can do major damage to a company’s performance and reputation. Consider the recent scandals at such companies as Volkswagen, General Motors, Toshiba, or Petrobras. One thing we have seen consistently is that focusing exclusively on performance can have very negative and even permanent impact on a company.
As we all work towards the important goals and commitments we have made personally and as a company, you should always keep in the front of your mind our first and most important value—We do what is right. To do what is right, we must conduct business in accordance with our Code of Conduct, policies, procedures and laws.
If you are ever unsure whether what you or a colleague are considering is the right thing to do, we urge you to raise your concerns. You can talk to your manager; you can talk to HR; you can talk to your colleagues in the Law Group and the Ethics and you can call the BD Help Line to ask a question or report a concern. Do not assume that if we do it, it must be right.
Thank you for your continued support in upholding our values and our strong culture of ethics and integrity.
It's sickening how companies can legally get away with screwing American workers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/11/us/large-companies-game-h-1b-visa-program-leaving-smaller-ones-in-the-cold.html?_r=0
http://www.glennbeck.com/2015/11/09/michelle-malkin-explodes-myths-about-cheap-foreign-labor-and-american-layoffs-in-new-book/
Yeah, this one is getting traction!
http://www.epi.org/blog/ceos-explain-1b-visa-hurts-competitiveness/
http://www.vox.com/2015/10/29/9637096/trump-immigration
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/nri/visa-and-immigration/not-against-h-1b-visas-if-it-gets-us-good-talent-says-donald-trump/articleshow/49577540.cms
Trumps a traitor! Wouldnt even admit that his own website saya he opposes Zuckerberg's position on raising the H-1b visa cap. Even when the moderator came back to trump and told him, he just shut it down. Rubio wants to double the amount raising the cap and said the companies should be held responsible if they abuse the program. He is a senator from Florida so if he thinks what happened at Disney alone wasn't proof enough that unless there are whistle blowers companies will abuse it he is obviosly boight. Where is the oversighr? Too many payoffs happenig.
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This thread has 11,000 views. Go to that big link on top where it says "Post regarding Becton Dickinson & Co. layoffs" and you can see dozens of additional topics
Yes, but they and bd will make tons of money along the way. Also, not before stealing many American jobs, working their employees under slave conditions, and ruining any inovations that has been created by Americans over the decades, until the tech product becomes totally crap. Way to go!
What I now know is that hcl will fail to deliver, as we have read in article after article, like so many outsourcing companies have failed over the last couple of decades.
See this review from HCL employees. What a horrible company: http://jobbuzz.timesjobs.com/discover/hcl-technologies-ltd/review/97198/current-employee-technical-lead-do-not-join-hcl-employees-are-crying-here-to-go-out
My advice to the HCL guys/gals, please stop writing your stupid comments on this website. The more you say, the more you make us upset. This is America and not India. We have a high moral standard and we know what a good company is. No matter how much you try to prettify HCL, we are not convinced and we will not join you. You could have all your H1B slaves to work for you. We don’t care because they are your own people anyway.
http://www.cringely.com/2015/06/15/the-h-1b-visa-program-is-a-scam/
What's that supposed to mean? It just shows another case where American workers are getting replaced while another shady corp. Makes ridiculous terms in order to collect severance. If you want to measure each case to imply that we are in a much better position, save it.
Anyone get a sweet deal like the guys at SunTrust?
http://www.computerworld.com/article/2994787/it-careers/bank-s-severance-deal-requires-it-workers-to-be-on-call-for-two-years.html
https://www.revealnews.org/topic/visa-fraud/
https://www.revealnews.org/article-legacy/job-brokers-exploit-indian-tech-workers-on-taxpayers-dime/
Really? Apparently not. Just because the employer states it in writing on the LCA, that doesn't make it so.
Before an employer hires a foreign worker with an H1-B visa, it must first fill out a Labor Condition Application(LCA). The LCA states that the position to be filled by a foreigner won't negatively affect the wages or employment of US workers.
There is enough information on this site, with all of the referenced links, etc., to make an informed decision regarding the BD - HCL situation.
"Body Shop" Secret: Workers Treated Like Indentured Servants -- http://www.nbcbayarea.com/investigations/Silicon-Valleys-Body-Shop-Secret-280567322.html
I love this site, another rumor is proved to be correct, let's see what happen to other rumors.
Europe IT infrastructure have today been informed that the following roles are intended to be outsourced:
PC and Device Support
Service Desk
Data Centre Management
Network Management
Security Administration and Management
Timing:
We plan the move operational and support roles and activities to external service providers by September 2016
We plan to complete partner execution, project planning and publish site schedule by March 2016
We plan to manage knowledge transfer to external service provider through May 2016
We plan to shift management of IT Infrastructure to external service provider in June 2016
Even though management would say who the contract will be awarded to, some managers have been heard to say it will be HCL as per the American/Asia outsourcing.
It will effect about 50 of 150 staff in Europe
Hahaha... good video. Yes, there is something smell very bad here.
CableWorld
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arfD0MDuCzE
After years of neglect and never ending layoffs, BD’s IT environment is a mess already. This outsourcing deal just makes things worse. Almost all the system administrators I had talked to are telling me the something, take the package and run, nobody wants to stay to continue to work in this poisonous environment.
Empty talks cannot make HCL suddenly becomes a job creator in United States. Today’s meeting confirmed what we had read from various postings related to HCL. 1. There are only Indian nationals in the management team. 2. Less skillful jobs will be offshored. 3. HCL is very similar to other body shops except it has a big base in India. 4. Only a small number of BD employees might be able to get a job, we only see job postings for system administrators (Windows, VMWare, UNIX, Citrix……). 5. If you are not currently working in Tri-state areas, you are very likely need to relocate to new client after 12 months of employment.
So if you apply for an open position at the same salary and they let you go before the 12 months of guaranteed work, you get your BD severance package, if they let you go after 12 months you get no severance because they don't have one. Seems i won't apply and just ride out the transition period and get a new job along with my BD severance package. At least i know that end date and can prepare for lining up a new job at the end of that time frame.
Now I've heard everything! HCL are job creators. Ha! Tell that to all of the American workers being layed off! Isn't that some kind of fuzzy math?