Thread regarding Centene Corp. layoffs

Mandating vaccines would be the first intelligent move they have made this year that would benefit all employees. Nobody wants to work with people who don't care enough about others to get vaccinated. Anyone who wants to remain unvaccinated needs to seek out employment elsewhere, but good luck with that. So many companies are starting to mandate.

@jukm+1c8Bmmjm - Centene body Centene choice. No job for you.

My body my choice. No vaccine for me.

@azwq+1c8Bmmjm - you are experiencing the Dunning–Kruger effect

The Dunning-Kruger effect is a type of cognitive bias in which people believe that they are smarter and more capable than they really are. Essentially, low ability people do not possess the skills needed to recognize their own incompetence.

@aefw+1c8Bmmjm - 60-70% of population required for herd immunity. Letting it run its course would require 60-70% of the population to get COVID resulting in X many deaths. Using vaccines we get to this # quicker, without deaths, thus not allowing the mutations.

You’ll let a virus that we knew little about enter your body before a vaccine? Compare possible side effects of COVID and the vaccine and it’s pretty obvious which is safer.

Nope - IF we had let the virus run its course naturally it would have been done with it by now - instead we prolonged it with lockdowns and other stupid measures and gave it time to mutate. Here is a FACT showing this is way overblown: Between March 17 and November 30, 2020, San Francisco recorded 537 dr-g overdose deaths, while recording 169 deaths due to COVID-19 in the same time period. Pure BULL the way they are manipulating the news and data.

@admk+1c8Bmmjm - didn’t fall for anything. I followed the science and didn’t get swayed by misinformation on Facebook. Vaccine is working as expected and would be successful if people would just use it. Giving the virus the chance to mutate, due to lack of vaccinations is what’s causing the resurgence - you are the problem.

See @6afq+1c8Bmmjm

@aydf+1c8Bmmjm - numbers are not published; most concerns have been statistically insignificant. Also there were preexisting kidney conditions. Jumping on this and posting as if it’s fact “OH LOOK MORE SIDE EFFECTS” simple serves your confirmation bias.

@9sap+1c8Bmmjm - your choice affects my choice and my kids. Kids now have to go back to a virtual classroom because of lack of vaccinations. I am vaccinated and now have to wear masks, etc. because of variants - again spreading due to lack of vaccinations.

I applaud any company that steps up and requires their employees to do the right thing for the greater good; even if there are other motives.

@9sap+1c8Bmmjm - lemmings is the right analogy, wrong group. The anti-vaxxer group is literally going to take everyone off the cliff with them.

Educate yourself …

People who have recovered from COVID-19 should get vaccinated to reduce their risk of reinfection, which will prevent transmission and suppress the opportunity for more variants – like the highly contagious delta – to emerge.

“Natural infection will cause your immune system to make many types of antibodies and immune response to all parts of the virus, but only a small fraction of that response is actually protective,” said Nicole Iovine, chief hospital epidemiologist at University of Florida Health in Gainesville. “When you get the vaccine, the entire response is targeted to the virus's spike protein.”

A study published Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found unvaccinated people who have had COVID-19 are more than twice as likely to be reinfected with the virus compared with people who were fully vaccinated after contracting the virus.

The study included hundreds of Kentucky residents with previous COVID-19 infections from May through June. It showed those who were unvaccinated were 2.34 times more likely to be reinfected compared with those who were fully vaccinated.

I had COVID in January - still have the antibodies, NO REASON FOR ME TO BE vaccinated yet they are still requiring it. This isn't science, its Lemmings blindly following each other off a cliff. There is a reason at least 25% of front line medical is still unvaccinated. My healthcare decisions are between me and my doctor, NOT the federal/state/local government (nor Centene!). Absurd and illogical.

Each and every one of us has a right to make our own choices on this issue and it should be our own private business. MFN and his fireside chat cronies (and anyone else in senior leadership who enjoys drinking the kool-aid) have implemented this plan and have used this issue as a way to force everyone back into the office and sit in their “CUBIES” it’s disgusting how they are manipulating this issue for their own benefit, when other employers are making it voluntary disclosure and keeping WFH optional until we are on the other side of this pandemic.

@9ona+1c8Bmmjm - thanks for proving my point

@8xji+1c8Bmmjm Gee, thanks for the definition. I am all for people getting the vaccine. Shoot it all up in your arm. And once I am assured that you're not tragically affected then I will gladly do it. So stick it on your arms. Whoopie!!

@6ryp+1c8Bmmjm

vaccine-resistant:

How vaccines work - every time the virus jumps to a new person, its chance of mutation increases. If the virus keeps running into vaccinated people, it hits a wall and can’t keep spreading. Decreasing the number of infections in a community is the best way to prevent new variants from developing.

Because of the lack of people vaccinated, we now have a variant that may be as contagious as the common cold. Vaccines are still effective and will still slow the spread. But more importantly, they will help to decrease the mutations which lead to variants (Delta) and prevent a new strain, which may make the vaccine not effective anymore.

holier than thou:

This is literally life and death. Make your choice, but don’t expect to still get all the conveniences that society offers. There are rules we all follow to partake in society, this is now one of them. Dragging out this virus by not getting vaccinated is hurting opportunities, economy and children.

Experiment:

There is plenty of information showing how safe the vaccines are now. In fact your flu vaccines will be based on the same technology soon. EUA approval is not easy to get.

“In order for these vaccines to have received an EUA, Banerjee says they already underwent a rigorous process. “In order to issue an EUA, it needs to be proven that the vaccine may be effective in preventing a serious or life-threatening condition and that the vaccine’s known and potential benefits can outweigh its known and potential risks,” Banerjee says.
He adds that the FDA issued an EUA based on the safety and efficacy data from a large, phase three clinical trial, underscoring the safety and effectiveness of the currently authorized COVID-19 vaccines.“

https://www.verywellhealth.com/pfizer-and-biontech-seeks-fda-full-approval-5186423

Health reasons:

It’s called a note from the doctor, where a mask and social distance.

Essentials:

A lot changes during a pandemic, now that the death toll is over 615K in the US and the data is in it’s time to apply what we know today.

Nobody mandated you have to be vaccinated. You will be tested on a regular basis and better mask up if you are choosing to be an anti-vaxer. I'm sure your fellow employees that cared enough to be fully vaccinated are not going to be pleased to be working in such close quarters with you. Such a microscopic percent of the population cannot medically get one of the the different types of vaccines and no religion worth it's salt, would want you to forsake a vaccine and die or cause others to die by not getting it. Anyone working in the healthcare business should be embarrassed that they are not vaccinated.

@4uvq+1c8Bmmjm: "Why do you think you have the right to infect hospital workers with a deadly contagious disease that you refused to protect yourself from? "

You do understand that the vaccinated are getting AND transmitting the virus, right? You do understand that there is ANOTHER variant that is vaccine-resistant hitting right now, right?
The vaccine doesn't prevent you from spreading the virus- it ONLY protects you from having severe symptoms. So the "you're harming others if you don't get the vaccine!" argument is invalid.
EVERYONE needs to stop with the "holier than thou" attitudes and degrading of those that don't want to be a part of the experiment.
Also, there are a LOT of people that CAN'T take the shot because of OTHER health reasons and conditions. You think they should lose their jobs/freedoms/rights to go in public? What about those "essentials" that have kept everyone fed, protected, healthy for the last year and a half? Were you calling them all "heros" six months ago and now you're demanding they lose their jobs if they don't want the shot?

@2kxg+1c8Bmmjm -- And for the person that said "don't get treatment if you get the virus without a vaccine"---- YOU are what's wrong with the world right now.

Why do you think you have the right to infect hospital workers with a deadly contagious disease that you refused to protect yourself from? You think your immune system can handle the virus without vaccination? OK then prove it by refusing medical care and staying home when you get sick, it's that simple. If you want to play games with your own health I encourage you to do so, but it's not cool to take innocent bystanders down with you. You must be a real sociopath if you can't understand that.

Actually untrue. If you opt against vaccination, you will need to get regular COVID tests and stay masked while at work, and you can't travel for business. You should get vaccinated though but if you choose not to for some reason...you will have to do these risk mitigation things.

@4wgf+1c8Bmmjm - they are not doing there job, they should not be in health care. Firing them may actual save lives, including there own.

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/927976

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“Health care workers have three special ethical responsibilities,” Arthur Caplan, PhD, a medical ethicist at the New York University School of Medicine, told the newspaper.

“One is to protect the vulnerable, people who are really at risk of a disease,” he said. “Secondly, put patient interests first. It doesn’t say, ‘put your choice first.’ Third, they’re supposed to do no harm.”

My previous post about elderly dying not changing anyone’s behaviors and children possibly dying as a result of the virus having the opportunity to mutate was deleted - go figure.

GET YOUR VACCINE. Children can’t safely get a vaccine and have no choice. Adults have a responsibility to create an environment safe for children.

https://www.newsweek.com/memphis-children-die-covid-delta-1616107

We all have a choice, either get the vaccine or seek other employment…simple👏🏽👏🏽

@3ekt+1c8Bmmjm - religion has been used as an excuse for wars, discrimination, and now for vaccination refusal. The majority of religions respect life as a basic value and therefore oppose the use of vaccines derived from aborted human fetuses (Catholicism) or any form of life (Buddhism). But if these vaccines serve to protect many more lives they are permitted.

Religion is not in contradiction with vaccination and public health. It is only individuals or religious leaders and their questionable interpretation of religious practices that are opposed to vaccination, no religion as such.

@2tuc+1c8Bmmjm - not spiritual, it’s a fight for facts and science. Ebola (apples) to COVID (oranges). Compare COVID with this …

Ebola:

27,000+ Total number of cases
11,000+ Total number of deaths
4 Patients diagnosed with Ebola in the U.S.
11 U.S. Patients with Ebola treated in the U.S.

Ebola then spreads through human-to-human transmission via direct contact (through broken skin or mucous membranes) with:Blood or body fluids of a person who is sick with or has died from Ebola. Objects that have been contaminated with body fluids (like blood, fe--s, vomit) from a person sick with Ebola or the body of a person who died from Ebola.

@2mtl+1c8Bmmjm - divide has always been there. It just can be ignored now.

@2bmw+1c8Bmmjm - I guess you never attended kindergarten

Has anyone tried to file a religious or medical exemption yet? It’s mentioned briefly but there is no place to actually do this. Obviously left out by design.

Why not do an attestation form, why are they requiring me to submit my protected medical records...this reminds me when Bl---s had to, "show papers," to prove their freedom. ALL OF THIS SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS, YELLOW STAR, us vs. them.. has me worried for our world. They have ushered in an acceptable form of discrimination. ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.

It's scary how many "professionals" are on this thread commenting that "yOu'Ll DiE!!!!" if you don't get the vaccine and get the virus. What is the fatality rate vs. number of cases, exactly? And for the person that said "don't get treatment if you get the virus without a vaccine"---- YOU are what's wrong with the world right now.
Yes, right now we are being told that it's 'get the shot OR routine testing plus masks at all times' but how long until there is no other option besides the shot or lose your job? We have all survived this mess up to this point without the shot, why make it mandatory now? It's absurd, unethical, and hopefully they're going to lose a lot of good people that refuse to tolerate this ridiculousness.
And the email used that mo--nic line "pandemic of the unvaccinated"- as if this pandemic didn't exist before the vaccines and as if the unvaccinated are the only ones getting it or spreading it. Neidorf is either rolling with the narrative/agenda or is brainwashed like far too many others. If he's THAT concerned, he should allow people to continue working at home instead of trying to force people back into suffocating offices with horrible seating - but something tells me his old a$$ refuses to come into modern times and allow that to happen.

Can we all stop and agree to the fact that we are as divided as we have ever been? From politics, social justice issues, to mask mandates and now vaccines. This pandemic really proved we are not really as united.

I think this should be a wake up call. This is spiritual warfare. If you can’t see this is preparing us for the mark of the beast then you are blind. Please wake up. They didn’t do this for Ebola. Sure as he-l didn’t do it for any other contagious illness. But now all of a sudden it’s mandatory. Oh and all these incentives. Start praying!

The fact of the matter is, many hospital and healthcare companies are beginning to require vaccination for workers, and there have been class-action lawsuits. In every single case, the courts have upheld the employers right to require the vaccine (even in Texas).

You do have a right not to get a vaccine - you do not have a "right" to your job at a private, for-profit company. Your are an at-will employee and must abide by the company's policies.

You can try to stand on your convictions, but will find yourself out of a job without many other options without similar restrictions and requirements.

Grow up or move on.

So centene says prior to return to in person engagement. Employees has to get vaccine or get tested weekly. But the field reps in fidelis care have been working “voluntarily” at the field for months now.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/covid-breakthrough-cases-cdc-says-more-than-4100-people-have-been-hospitalized-or-died-after-vaccination.html

Oh and quit getting fake made up news from Tucker Carlson. All he does is feeds misinformation to scare people from getting vaccinated. I've watched it, it's terrible.

Nobody said you can't die, you are far far far less likely. And I read the article you were talking about from the UK. Those numbers are being misrepresented. you are far more likely to die from being unvaccinated than you are from being vaccinated. Plain and simple. That is a fact.

I guess the people posting you can’t die after being vaccinated haven’t seen any press conferences lately or saw numbers in the UK. Please google and get educated on people that have died from delta that WERE vaccinated.

No vaccine, then fine. Just do the rest of us medical people a favor. I know we are supposed to 'help all' but if you get sick please don't come to the hospital, stay home. Maybe you'll get better, maybe you won't.

I started looking for another job yesterday. Right when that email showed up. Fine if you want to have the experimental injection. That's your choice. Nobody should be forced or coerced into getting it.
I'm never getting that cr-p and don't care about covid either.

Not sure what you all are referencing, as the email we got said you had to supply proof of vaccination or you had to have periodic testing, wear a mask in the office, and would not be allowed to travel. Which I have no doubt, it will evolve into everyone will have to mask anyways. The title for this post is click bait.