Full US Food and Dr-g Administration approval of the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine is "imminent." A Biden administration official said approval of the two-dose vaccine "could be as early as Monday."
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What the heck! This is a layoff site. Let's talk about who is getting canned, we can talk about Covid on another site. Ok, now back to the layoff chat. Has anyone heard when Leadership will be canned? Is it next Thursday?
Nope, got the first two and recently had Covid. The flu is worse and I’ve never got that one.
So Zuke and his wife fund the CDC, Lancet, etc. - wow who knew. I guess you read that on Facebook. I’m not going to continue to read for you. Your little peer review game isn’t working. Time to find another technique to push the disinformation agenda.
Look at the publishing processing in the journal website … researched linked in article has been peered reviewed
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I don’t see any peer reviewed study links. Did I miss them?
Also, that “research” is funded by Zuck and his wife? Please provide peer-reviewed, and not that garbage. There are already multiple infectious disease experts who are concluding the opposite of that article. Natural immunity provides superior protection to the vaccine and is an easy blood test.
Plenty of information and links to studies in …
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/09/infection-immunity-covid-19-vaccines/620099/
to explain the difference between a controlled infection (vaccine) and one from the wild, which has many more variables to determining immunity.
Back at you - please keep your propaganda to yourself from here on out.
There are a lot of scientists on this thread.
Someone who is pro-mandate (which there seem to be quite a few of), please share vaccine articles that:
- Use a statistically valid sample size against the population
- Are Peer reviewed
- Show efficacy of the vaccine compared to natural immunity, including antibody effectiveness and length of protection
If you can’t find such a study, please keep your propaganda to yourself from here on out.
Thank god we have the leading expert on Covid-19 giving their expert analysis on a layoff forum.
1 in 500 Americans have died from COVID.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/interactive/2021/1-in-500-covid-deaths/
Oh I forgot, they died of pneumonia. It’s so common to develop pneumonia without any pre-existing condition. So the fact they are admitted with COVID-19 symptoms should be ignored as the real ki---r was the pneumonia that occurred independent of the Covid-19 virus. There’s no link there at all. Thanks Doc for clearing that up.
USPS is not exempt. The reporting was wrong.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/washington-post-reporter-postal-service-exemption-biden-vaccine-mandate
The president controls the executive branch of government and can’t tell the legislative branch what to do, so Congress can make its own rules about vaccine requirements. However, half of them are high on horse anti-parasitic dr-gs, so I wouldn’t count on that changing any time soon.
One word for new spread - DELTA. Please read a little outside of Facebook and get your vaccine.
The four stages of not understanding how to read data:
- We’re all gonna die!
- Statistics don’t matter. Its’s not 99.7%, it’s SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND OH MY GOD WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE. (Doesn’t matter that counts are “with”, not “from”.)
- Hospitals are at the max!! (Yes, because they’ve fired staff and therefore re-set 100% occupancy as a much lower number than the actual bed availability).
- Hospitalizations are up! (Yes, because they admit everyone with COVID - even those who wouldn’t warrant admission - Google Atlantic article)
- We don’t know the long term effects of COVID! We’re all gonna die!! (You don’t know the long term effects of the vaccine, cell phones, and chemicals they put in foods either but it isn’t stopping you.
How are you so blind? The USPS is exempt because of their union. Congress is too. If it’s so dangerous, how do entities get sweeping exceptions? Why do they have to manipulate data and talk in half-truths?
Stop with the ridiculous fearmongering. It’s fine if you’re afraid of your shadow - go hide in your basement. If the vaccine is so great, why are new cases through the roof compared with last year when zero people were unvaxed? And before you reference people staying home or wearing masks, remember that you’ve already blamed the spread of it in 2020 on people who didn’t comply. Can’t use two opposing arguments - pick one!
The 4 stages of COVID denial:
- It’s a hoax
- Don’t be a sheep
- Prayers needed
- Visit our GoFundMe
@otdh+1crC1cLT - ??? can you say long term COVID effects
“The question was on masks and mutations, not vacs and mutations.“ - My Response was “So masks and mutations have a correlation”. This was addressing the first part of the post.
“It won't stop you from getting it. It won't stop you from spreading it“ - My Response was “ According to the latest from the CDC you are 5 times more likely to get Covid-19 if unvaccinated”. This is to address the comment that vaccines won’t stop you from getting it and how vaccines help stop the spread/mutations.
Phew, glad I already got the flu...er, I mean...covid and my body created its own superior protection. Who wants to compare antibody results? Any of you the sky is falling / we’re all gonna die fax pushers up for the challenge?
The question was on masks and mutations, not vacs and mutations.
But by all means, get vaccinated. It will not keep you from getting new variants, but it will more than likely keep you out of the hospital and almost certainly keep you from dying from new variations. They are extremely effective in that way.
Masks, no masks, vacs, no vacs. Doesn't matter. The new strains are going to keep coming. It's not going to go away. The more people vaccinated, the less the effects of them will be. People may not want to hear that fact, but it's true. It's not going away. Wishing it wasn't so doesn't make it happen. Just get vaxed.
Rate of mutation is the result of the spread of Covid-19. Reduce the spread and the chances of a mutation decreases. So masks and mutations have a correlation.
According to the latest from the CDC you are 5 times more likely to get Covid-19 if unvaccinated.
https://www.fastcompany.com/90675524/delta-variant-vaccinated-vs-unvaccinated-this-new-cdc-chart-shows-how-well-covid-vaccines-work
Do your part and get vaccinated
Masks have very little if anything to do with mutations. It's a virus, it's going to mutate regardless of masks.
If you want to talk about stopping it from spreading more quickly, then that's another story. Although the masks most commonly worn by the public are nearly useless in stopping the spread or preventing the wearer from getting it.
COVID isn't going to go away, there will just be new variants that come along, just like Delta, Lambda and Mu.
You want to be protected, then get vaccinated. It won't stop you from getting it. It won't stop you from spreading it. But it will more than likely stop you from having to be hospitalized for it or dying from it.
🛑 trying to put your own pseudo analysis together and listen to the experts. You picked the high range of an estimate to make your argument. Actual range is … number of influenza‐related illnesses that have occurred during influenza season has ranged from 9.2 million to 35.6 million, including 140;000 to 710,000 influenza‐related hospitalizations. ✋ spreading disinformation and get your vaccine
Patients admitted to hospital with COVID-19 had a 3.5 times greater risk of death, 1.5 times greater use of the ICU and 1.5 times longer hospital stays than patients admitted with influenza.
CDC estimates that from 2010-2011 to 2017-2018, influenza-associated deaths in the United States ranged from a low of 12,000 (during 2011-2012) to a high of 79,000 (during 2017-2018)
Teen hospitalization is up 3x compared to the flu. Last year this was not an issue. Not wearing masks and not getting vaccinated is allowing this virus to mutate and is now affecting children who are unable to protect themselves and must rely on grownups.
The CDC study found adolescents between 12-17 years of age had a hospitalization rate of 2.1 per 100,000 in January 2021 which sharply declined in mid-March but rose again in April to 1.3. Among those hospitalized, 1/3rd required intensive care unit (ICU) admission and 5% needed to be placed on a ventilator. 31.4% of patients had to be placed in the ICU and 4.9% were placed on a ventilator.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/health/teens-coronavirus-hospitalization-rates-flu-cdc-study.amp
In the 2017-2018 Flu season, 810,000 people were hospitalized over the flu.
Did anyone hear a peep about it? Did they flood the airwaves, scaring the nation with messages of hospitals being at full capacity, everyone must wear masks to “save lives,” or that they were short on supplies and ventilators, people were dropping dead everywhere, and the economy needed to shut down? NO. It was near silent.
Covid-related hospitalizations are at 63.85% of the 2017-2018 Flu hospitalizations, comparing nearly 10 months of Covid to the flu season which runs from October to May.
There are currently 1,806,590 new cancer cases with 1,600 people dying from cancer each day. Heart disease takes 1 in 4 lives. So when people find out that a virus has a 98% survival rate, and much higher for those under 65, they should be thanking their lucky stars, not masking up, shutting down their businesses, hiding in fear, and waiting for instructions on when they should jump off a cliff.
Not all pneumonia are the same … pneumonia associated with COVID is very different. Cause of death is both COVID and pneumonia, which is why they call it PIC. Please read a little and get that vaccine 💉
While other types of pneumonia rapidly infect large regions of the lungs, COVID-19 begins in numerous small areas of the lungs. It then uses the lungs' own immune cells to spread across the lungs over many days or even weeks. This is similar to how multiple wildfires spread through a forest, the study authors explained.
As COVID-19 pneumonia slowly moves through the lungs, it leaves damaged lung tissue in its wake and contributes to the fever, low blood pressure and organ damage common in COVID-19 patients, the team said.
Wrong. There are 600K deaths due to PIC - pneumonia, influenza, covid. It’s on the CDC website. All you have to do is read the fine print.
Secondarily, there is a big difference between dying WITH and FROM.
Lastly, if you want the vaccine, get it. If you want to control other adults, try a retirement home.
@gnrf+1crC1cLT - Who has died within 14 days of a vaccination? You need to back your BS up instead of just throwing out the first @#$*# thought that comes to mind. There are over 600K deaths due to COVID and 3 due to vaccines.
The j&j Vaccine is responsible for 3 deaths out of over 9 million doses administered, due to blood clots…
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2779731
After vaccination, the CDC reported 6,587 Covid-19 breakthrough cases as of July 26, including 6,239 hospitalizations and 1,263 deaths. At that time, more than 163 million people in the United States were fully vaccinated against Covid-19.
Divide those severe breakthrough cases by the total fully vaccinated population for the result: less than 0.004% of fully vaccinated people had a breakthrough case that led to hospitalization and less than 0.001% of fully vaccinated people died from a breakthrough Covid-19 case.
“You are just as likely to be ki---d by a meteorite as die from Covid after a vaccine,” Dr. Peter Chin-Hong, an infectious disease expert at the University of California San Francisco, told CNBC. “In the big scheme of things, the vaccines are tremendously powerful.”
@eadg+1crC1cLT So if someone dies within 14 days of getting the vaccine, and they don’t count it as a death due to the vaccine because the person is technically unvaccinated, you’re good with that? The vaccine has to ki-l them 15 days + for it to count?
@aqac+1crC1cLT - I’ll take my chances with the vaccine. COVID even shows up in the brain during biopsies. If this only affected you then go ahead and get sick. But we don’t live in a vacuum; your choice affects me, my family (kids) and loved ones. Individual risk is over, societal risk is now in play. You have a responsibility to society and your family; get the vaccine and do your duty as a grownup living in the USA.
LONG TERM COVID:
A study from the University of Washington published in February found that 32.7% of COVID-19 outpatients developed long-haul symptoms and 31.3% of hospitalized patients became long haulers
common long hauler symptoms include:
Coughing
Ongoing, sometimes debilitating, fatigue
Body aches
Jo--t pain
Shortness of breath
Loss of taste and smell — even if this didn’t occur during the height of illness
Difficulty sleeping
Headaches
Brain fog
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/people-who-were-vaccinated-and-got-covid-19-were-half-as-likely-to-have-long-term-symptoms
RISK:
Individual Risk
Some people are risk averse, whereas others are willing to assume far greater risk (eg, the individual who lives a sedentary life vs the individual who rides motorcycles or climbs mountains). Combined with behavioral research, risk analysis can help explain why reasonable people sometimes make different decisions.15 With COVID-19, a person’s perceptions and decisions involving risks involve consideration of at least 3 questions.15 How much disease is in the community? What is an individual’s risk of exposure to COVID-19? How much can individuals do if exposed to SARS-CoV-2?
However, in the coming months, differences in risk-taking behaviors will play out every day. Each person will decide whether and when to travel by plane, visit with friends, shop, or eat in restaurants. What will complicate this further is that individuals will interact with others who may not share the same sense of risk, potentially straining relationships between family members, friends, and colleagues. Regardless, there will be risk, and it will not be possible to accurately define that risk.
Societal Risk
Some individuals are willing to assume risk and are not willing to have their individual freedoms curtailed. This has emerged as a central debate in the US, and poses numerous and substantial challenges for public officials, particularly mayors and governors, who must make decisions about restoring normal activities in their cities and states. Most of these officials consult public health experts, ask for their best estimates, but then must balance the risk to society vs individual rights. This issue of individual freedom vs the common good has always been a central debate in the US. What rights and privileges do individuals surrender for the common good? How should individuals balance their rights against their responsibilities and ensure that their choices and actions do not impose risks on other members of society or their own family members?
@cyaj+1crC1cLT - I don’t think you are capable of comprehending the explanation. Every point you are making has been debunked in posts below. Vaccine is not effective until after 14 days of the last shot, so until that time passes you are not officially vaccinated. Not hard to understand.
Please explain how everyone getting the vaccine supports a return to normalcy. Even the CDC doesn’t support that message. For the tenth time - the vaccine does not prevent illness or transmission.
Did you know that hospitalizations with COVID or death within 14 days of vaccination are logged as “unvaccinated”? More data manipulation.
Similar to how covid deaths counted are actually PIC - pneumonia, influenza, covid. Published on the CDC website in the fine print.
“move on with your lives and get back to living in a normal manner” = vaccinations
Without the country supporting vaccinations then life will not be normal. COVID-19 != FLU. get your vaccines and normalcy will return.
People need to start to understand that COVID is going to follow the same path as the common flu. There's going to be a different strain, or two, or even three, every year from now on. It's not going to go away.
You can either choose to treat yourselves and your families like scared shut ins or you can choose to move on with your lives and get back to living in a normal manner.
No, that doesn't mean not to get vaccinated. By all means, if that makes you feel more safe, just as it would with an annual flu shot, then by all means, I encourage you to get vaxxed and get boosters.
No, it also doesn't mean that I want those who are at higher risk to ignore it. If you are more susceptible to severe impact due to your higher risk category, then by all means, you and your families and close contacts should do everything in their power to ensure that you are kept as safe as possible.
The point is, it's not going to go away. Take that into consideration, take the appropriate precautions for yourself and your family and get on with your lives. The world isn't going to live in a bunch of giant plastic bubbles to acquiesse to the hysteria much longer.
And many studies tell us that natural immunity is better than vaccinated, so why isn’t that being addressed?
It’s such a dangerous virus that they have to purposefully manipulate the message and control the propagandized narrative. Vaccines are the truth and the word, but natural immunity is an unknown. The long term effects of COVID are TBD (but MUST be bad) yet the vaccine - yeah - that’s cool. Nothing to see here, folks.
We know who is at risk - old and unhealthy. I’m not going to explain statistics, so refrain from the “totally healthy people die” straw man. We live our lives based on risk, and this is a nothing burger. Shut down the idea of mandates, retain medical freedom, and move on.
@7txp+1crC1cLT - not true
a new study from Imperial College London suggests that unvaccinated people are three times more likely than those who are fully vaccinated to test positive for COVID-19. Researchers also said fully vaccinated people are less likely to transmit the virus to others
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/risks-of-the-delta-variant-for-vaccinated-vs-unvaccinated-people#The-vaccines-and-the-Delta-variant
@OP+1crC1cLT - answered here @3qsr+1crC1cLT and @1hac+1crC1cLT and @3ire+1crC1cLT and @3ire+1crC1cLT
So anti-vaxxer’s won’t get injected with a vaccine, but will inject themselves with an anti-parasitic treatment commonly used for livestock. Go figure 🤪
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/08/30/ohio-judge-orders-hospital-treat-covid-patient-ivermectin/5648583001/
So how exactly does the vaccine help stop the spread of the disease? It doesn’t prevent transmission....
You are suggesting that someone has a moral responsibility to take a vaccine that will help nobody but the person taking it.
And more data coming out that says natural antibodies are more effective than antibodies produced as a result of the vaccines.
This is why it is - and should remain - a personal choice.
I’m not saying you shouldn’t eat a balanced diet and exercise. Most people would agree and have probably tried to do so many times. So an understanding is not in question. However, results are difficult when going up against a billion dollar industry that is dependent upon people eating unhealthy. On the surface it seems simple, but there is a lot at play that makes it difficult for individuals to overcome.
Vaccines during a public health crisis is fairly simple. You have a social responsibility to help your fellow citizens by getting vaccinated and stopping the spread of a disease that is ki----g others. If not then the way you interact within society will need to change.
“We are a healthcare company and this is basic stuff taught in elementary...”
Oh really? Like how we were taught the importance of a balanced diet and exercise, and minimizing stress? You must be new here. Take a look around next time.
It was never designed to prevent infection or prevent transmission, and what they’re giving people now is only effective against the original variant. It doesn’t work on Delta or any other (similar to the flu vaccine).
You should get vaccinated if you want to. Do your research - look at VAERS data and consider your risk profile. Or, disregard all of the above and just get it.
What is a disgusting overreach of power are mandates and vaccine cards - negligent, actually. And any company who supports either should be ready to lose upwards of 50% of their workforce.
To restate - your vaccine does not prevent infection or transmission. It only protects you. Anyone else’s status is none. Of. Your. Business.
I am getting vaccinated because of all the scientists on here making a great point on why they are not getting vaccinated.
@5vvp+1crC1cLT - we are a healthcare company and this is basic stuff taught in elementary. Don’t need to be a doctor to get this.
So many doctors and scientists on this thread. Why are you working for Anthem again? 😂😂
@4mlp+1crC1cLT - herd immunity = vaccines. 70%-90% needed for herd immunity. Letting 70% of the population get COVID instead of the vaccine is id--tic.
Healthcare experts recommend vaccination over natural infection.
@4bsx+1crC1cLT - stop spreading nonsense. COVID not the vaccine has been found to penetrate the brain. It’s just more reason to get a vaccine. You are spreading inaccurate information, which is putting peoples life at risks. Should be ashamed
Hopefully Anthem includes natural immunity in their policy. Seems like that is more effective than vaccines.
Speaking of which, what happened to herd immunity? Maybe it became less popular once big pharma realized they weren’t making their projected profits and the government realized they could create a revenue stream off of the flu.
Just a tidbit that may come out in the future...
The mRNA vaccines are not exactly working as the Pharma companies had planned. They are, however, still very effective at lessening the effects of the virus.
You have to remember that these are completely new types of vaccines. Different from anything that we've seen in the past (polio, mmr, etc). They act at the cellular level and what they're beginning to see is that in a number of cases, some cells are actually bursting, especially near the blood brain barrier. Hasn't been published yet because they're still researching it, the frequency of it and the long term effects of it. They don't see any yet, but are a little concerned about it.
I have taken two rounds of Moderna, not overly concerned about it yet, but if that does concern you, then go for Johnson & Johnson or the Astra Zenaca vaccines. They are more along the lines of the typical vaccines that we've all received in the past.