Heard mandatory two days in office will be set in stone for hybrid folks so you can’t choose your two days come summertime. It’s going to be determined for you. Is this a rumor or is this for real?
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I just received meeting invites for something that has no tie-in to my work. There are several different day/time options to choose from, and invitees are supposed to select one that fits their schedule.
A few weeks ago, I would have declined them all. Not any more. I accepted them all and I now have several work hours free to do as I please. Bet your last penny that none of that time is going to be wasted on collaboration!
Love that these id--ts didn’t even do the math the first time to discover 50% of time in office was 2.5 days
policy expected to be enforced june 3rd. tuesday / wednesday anchor days and 3rd day of your choosing
they said those working from home try to make it out on those anchor days.. they're still allowing those??
so new policy acknowledges west coast employees having meetings on east coast time, so essentially they know theyre sending people back to work in office when their team aren't there.. got it
The page is updated, 3 days in office, Tuesdays and Wednesdays mandatory. And the renaming of Interim WFH designation.
Yes, it’s there. It su-ks. This doesn’t support employee vitality.
where is the page updated and what is "And the renaming of Interim WFH designation."
Go to the FOW page on Iris, it's all there.
where is the page updated and what is "And the renaming of Interim WFH designation."
The page is updated, 3 days in office, Tuesdays and Wednesdays mandatory. And the renaming of Interim WFH designation.
Ah he-l naw. Cigna should just have the ba--s to lay people off if they want to cut costs that badly.
Enforcing this micromanagement policy is just avoiding paying out severance and causing alarm to stock holders.
9:30-11:00AM Eastern , you should be able to see it on Iris id imagine
what time is the townhall?
Yep! It’ll be discussed in tomorrow’s town hall. Cranking up compliance with more clear guidelines on policy interpretations. Buckle up, it’s going to be a bumpy ride.
I'd be more willing to entertain that possibility if the Iris site wasn't scrubbed of all talk of employee flexibility. That had to be done for a reason.
Chances are what everyone's blowing their lid about in this forum won't even happen. The town hall is in 2 days. Why doesn't everyone take a deep breath and just wait til then.....
I've heard from several sources the days will be Tuesday and Wednesday, at least that's the case for the St. Louis office.
Yeah. I think we are all aware by now how many days are in a calendar week. However, if one pays attention to context, it would be clear that this conversation pertains to the work week, which is generally five days.
Framing it the way you did is a weak attempt to undermine someone else's situation. I'd close by indicating that you are better than that, but I'm not sure that's the case.
"I saw a memo being prepared by a VP which states that hybrid employees may be reclassified to office if they haven’t been compliant with FOW."
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Can anyone else corroborate this punitive approach?
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Can anyone else corroborate this punitive approach?
“ You have a seven-day workweek? Or was that a typo? Couldn't be a bad-faith statement to try to minimize someone's objections, right?”
Huh? We all have a seven day calendar week. If someone can’t go into an office for two days out of it because of their familiar commitments, maybe they should consider a part-time job or being a stay at home parent.
“Maybe we should create a petition?” create one then!! This forum is all complains, no action. If you want a petition, what’s stopping you?
This policy is bullsh-t, full stop. I was hired as fully remote with no mention of the FOW initiative during interviews or offer. What say you to people in my position? Had I been advised there was a possibility that my remote role would be converted to hybrid at any point, I would've stayed with my prior organization until I found a better, actually fully remote role. This company didn't give me that choice and has upended my life by sending me to an office that no one that I work with sits in. This company doesn't actually care about employees or their "vitality". The reality of life is that most of us have been or will be caretakers of some kind at some point in our lives, whether that be caring for a child, an ailing parent, or some other loved one. Any company that puts profit over humanity when they claim to be looking out for the health and well-being of their employees and the patients they serve, well, that's a company I don't want to work for long term. This will all certainly bite this company in the a-s. Good employees, whether they be new or "lifers" will find a way to transition to a role and org that meets their needs and treats them like the adults and humans they are. And they will do so while happily putting in 100+% effort. It may take a bit longer than we'd like because the job market is very competitive right now and the roles are sparse, but we'll get there! I have no doubt there are companies out there that actually live up to their mission and values and don't just give lip service while the top 1% of the org cash in off the backs of hard workers getting the short end of the stick.
Isn’t there an article about employees pushing back around flexibility and the company changed their policy? Considering how global Cigna is, that’s not a bad idea. Our teams are not centrally located. This mandate doesn’t make sense. Maybe we should create a petition? But for the buildings they do own, it’s a tax break; on our shoulders. Not fair to us anyway you look at it.
I was referring the making specific days compulsory, which the original post refers to. There are days which are bad and I cannot make it, but I try and make up for lost days by attending full week next time. I am trying my best is what I meant.
But given your attitude, I would love to bring all the germs from my kids daycare and give it to you with love and affection. lol
You should know by now that when you are home, you can continue working with medicines, but you should not come to office and spread it to others .
Did you learn nothing from 2020 ?
All I am saying is, for people who were hired as hybrid or full time wrok form office, it’s understandable that at some point they would be called back. But things are changed for
the whole world since 2020. There has been a major shift in mindset about WFH. There is no need to be draconian about this. People are
making efforts to be in office and we need to appreciate these efforts than penalize them for not being able to make 20 hours in a week.
And for people for were hired as Remote, it is soooo unfair. What would you say to that?
This question is specially to that HR or the manager who wants everyone to be office who is lurking here and making all the stupid comments.
Is this only for currently hybrid- or will there be more names added to the hybrid list next week?
Some of the comments on this post seem like they are plants. Let me grab my tin foil hat for a moment.
Some of us were hired just for work at home. Some of us live no where near an office. The flexibility of not having to call off while a child is home from school was amazing.
I’m seeing a lot of, “just do your job” mentality. That’s great and all, but that changes every week. I know it depends on where you are. The metrics for customer facing employees are getting out of control. How many people are actually getting training? I feel like most of us are just getting screamed at, undertrained and replaced by new employees.
“Just leave”, well ok. I’m sure a lot of people don’t have a chance to JUST do that. There’s steps involved to seeking other employment.
I can assure you all these comments are anonymous and no one will get promoted from arguing with upset colleagues. Just saying.
Of course, And you should be pretty annoyed at the people that couldn't handle the responsibility of managing their 20 hours a week and lost you that flexibility.
“ Because you’re a parent you can’t go into an office two days a week out of seven? “
No, because I’m a parent I chose to accept this gross salary for a remote position so I would not have to commute and waste money on gas and a work wardrobe. I chose to accept this position because it would save me invaluable time that I could spend with my family and make dinner at home every night.
If I’m going back to work in office I am going to just find an equally as sh---y in person job that pays me more.
Untrue. Today, I can choose how to get my 20.01 hours in and it can vary week to week. Under this, I will have the 4.01 hours at my discretion, with the 16 fixed and dictated to me.
Is that so hard to understand that you needed to be all smarmy?
The old requirements for hybrid was 50% in office. That works out to 3 days in office... No one cared if you came in twice one week and three times the next as long as you got your 50%.
If they're making people come back mandatory 2 days and 1 choice, that is (and someone help me with the math here if I'm wrong) 3 days in office.
Nothing has changed for people who were already adhering to policy, so the only people who are complaining here are people who weren't following policy to begin with.
Oh no! It's the consequences of my own actions!
Who else is getting pumped for the NFL draft!?
You have a seven-day workweek? Or was that a typo? Couldn't be a bad-faith statement to try to minimize someone's objections, right?
What office is this?? I don’t think there's anyone older than 30 in my office besides me.
Morris Plains NJ
“In addition, why is it only about 20% of the company, mostly old-timers, are the only ones called back to the office? Why not everyone“
What office is this?? I don’t think there's anyone older than 30 in my office besides me.
Because you’re a parent you can’t go into an office two days a week out of seven?
For someone who brought up Cigna Policy about childcare , you have no freaking clue what parents in last 4 years have gone through. I am one and I have tried just about everything. I am trying best to be in office 3 days a week but just cannot keep up. It’s well known that immunities have taken a hit since Covid . Also I caught COVID twice since return to work began . My child is sick constantly due to school .
So stop being so mean to parents who are struggling. We are trying everything possible to keep up. But making 2 days mandatory will really not be practical for so many reasons.
Why do we still have hundreds of hotel spaces in our offices? We have space yet we keep local employees at home (not that I would be complaining if I were one). Did Cigna literally pull in the departments they hope to cut back on anyways and bet on people quitting? Some departments were actually sent home as FOW rolled out.
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Right? They gave us flexible days, but people didn't adhere to it, so here we are. Everyone's up on their soap box like "I'm just gonna cut productivity, that'll show them!" It really won't. Everyone on this forum inflates how big of an impact they have and how they're always "top performers".
Those of us who have been following the rules will be further punished. In addition, why is it only about 20% of the company, mostly old-timers, are the only ones called back to the office? Why not everyone? Future of Work is clearly designed to reduce the workforce, in order to get more highly paid, experienced professionals to leave so they don't have to pay severance. It reeks of age discrimination.
How about doing the right thing for once, and consequence those not meeting minimums? This is so elementary school, punishing the whole class for the actions of a few.
No, I am not going to keep my productivity up, name-calling or not. These decisions cost us time, money, and flexibility. I will claw back what I can, in any way I can.
Don't like it? Classify me as remote and I'll go back to working hard each day.
I would much rather be productive at home, 5 days a week. But the remote possibility that I might strike up a spontaneous hallway conversation with a stranger, which ends up saving the company billions is evidently a higher priority.