There's no beating it. It's just an early warning before you're fired.
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@mrjy+1tD9BDW4 honestly, 9 block is a double edged sword that allows HR to rank everyone on a bell curve to be categorized so that cannon fodder (lower performers relative to everyone else on the team, doesn't have to be terrible performers) during layoffs can be quickly picked. once your 5s are expended, then 4s are turned into 5s and so on until you don't need any more rounds of layoffs. It is career damaging for reasons being made to make you fit into your new category for new graduates. It is never meant to be fair, only fair/convenient to the company.
It appears in my opinion the 9-block preformance rating system and PIP process are specifically design to reduce employee cost and eliminate older and higher cost employees and benefits. What are the opinions of others with more knowledge and experience think? 🤔
@2awn+1tD9BDW4
If a manager is still connecting the number of vacation days they approve to years of service, they are reportable to HR for discrimination. The policy does not specify years of service as a determining factor. Discrimination is defined very broad at Honeywell to be treating any person differently than another unless directed by company policy.
The whole 9 Block process is a joke. It reminds me of buying a car when the dealer used the 4 Block method. Same objective. Get as much out of you at the least possible cost to them.
The most, dispicable dishonest company I had ever worked for. Given 8 of my 40 years. The PIP process is a joke...it was always political CYA. Only had one...but in my group it was always people over 50.
Advice....leave you are more valuable than Honeywell will ever think you are. They prove it in their actions.
I was seen as a threat by my boss, who was at best incompetent. I was put on a PIP and generally given mediocre ratings. This was entirely personal. One he left I was back up to Box 2. The whole process stinks.
Three years ago, I was placed in block 3 which meant I too was PIP'd. My boss danced around it for a while during the review and then told me that there is a quota at all band levels. I was band 4 which puts me in with all of the managers. My boss said the managers NEVER get PIP'd so the burden is heaviest on the band 4 individual performers. After I finished out my PIP (paperwork that my boss pencil-whipped), I was back to block 5 the next year. I put in for a couple manager spots and got one at 34th Street. Now I'm handing out the PIPs. It was easy the first year because I didn't know my team at all. This year was a bit harder so I picked the guy who didn't spend time on his goal update during mid-year.
I'm at Phx Engines too and my boss has never turned down a request. She just kind of allows whatever I ask. One time (two years ago), I had a quarter tank of gas in my VW and I wanted to see if it would last the rest of the month. I asked for 7 days off at the last minute and it was approved. I ended up going to the dunes. I also burn my sick time by mid-December, I haven't rolled over an hour since Cote was our CEO.
@2ucc+1tD9BDW4 Just take your vacation. Charge to general overhead or if you have good charge numbers charge to those. Easy. Keep under the radar, and milk the job for as much as you can, that's what most of us do.
@2ucc+1tD9BDW4 Unlimited vacation does not mean unlimited vacation. It means flexible vacation. Your yearly vacation time under the old plan was 2 years. You can stretch that now within limits (but this will depend on your manager). If you have 25+ years with HW, you should expect to get 5 weeks without pushback.
@2xod+1tD9BDW4, yes, you are correct , I took 5 to 6 weeks every year. To clarify, when I was hired in July 2020, I only took two weeks, second and third week in December and then the company Christmas week. I feel sorry for you that you have not taken more vacation, but the policy is named UNLIMITED VACATION. I don't know anyway other than that could be interpreted, UNLIMITED. In response to your question "If I have been around enough", as you know, we were remote when I was hired because of COVID, and I remained remote until the end of 2022. January 2023 was the first I came to work at the Engines facility after my Supervisor had an office setup. Then of course, the A and B week work schedule, and even that is "suggested". So physically being at the facility, if that is what you mean by "being around enough" is a moot point, being available online is the only work requirement. Back to my question, do I have any recourse for getting this years vacation? One of my online work friends said just take the vacation, and log in via Starlink, to remain "green" on status. Again sorry you don't take vacation, it is really important for a work life balance.
@2xod+1tD9BDW4 Nah mate, he said 5-6 weeks over 4 years, at best thats 1.5 weeks a year which is criminal. I feel very sorry for him, I had the same experience and like him I was the hardest worker in the team and routinely had efforts trashed by management incompetence. I have never worked anywhere so self destructive, it was like they actively wantrf to lose money and customers.
@2azq+1tD9BDW4.....
You've been with the company just four years, but you're taking "5 to 6 weeks" of vacation every year?
I've been with the company three decades, and I don't take (nor feel I'm entitled to) that much.
I don't know your PIP situation, but maybe root cause is that you're not around enough when they actually need you.
@2nuw+1tD9BDW4 You have been obsessively stalking here for months, by the way you write it clearly identifies you every time. You come here like clockwork to downvote every post critical of Honeywell. You espouse nonsense that clearly highlights what very little you know of Honeywell, its business or how it operates. I do not know whether you are a junior PR for HR with delusions of grandeur or in desperate need of mental therapy but it is not a good look and you hold little credibility on here. I suggest you get a new hobby, do some exercise or find something new in life.
A question for those who have been at the company a while. I came into Engines PHX in July 2020, great signing bonus, great pay, and in 2023 my boss promoted me to Band 4. Yea, I heard a lot of negative things by many of the older folks, but for me, fresh out of college, this place seemed great. Then, early this year, my boss called me into his office, and told be I was going to be PIPed. He literally said, my performance was exceptional, but that "It was my turn in the pickle barrel", whatever that means. He said "Everyone has to go thru this process, and that next year my pay will make up for the zero percent this year". I was told, it was " just the way things are done here, don't take it personal". At first, I kinda took it hard, but then, the process of the PIP was just a weekly meeting, and really easy and insignificant red tape, so I resigned myself just to do it, and complete. My question is this, recently , with the PIP completed, I asked for vacation in Q3 and 2 weeks in Q4 for my family's annual trip to Hawaii. All were denied ! My boss said, that a side effect of the PIP, is no vacation? Is that true? I asked my supervisor and another departments supervisor(she recruited me), about the UNLIMITED VACATION that was promoted when I hired on, they both said that it was up to the discretion of the supervisor. What, since when has this policy been in place? I have taken 5 to 6 weeks of vacation for the last 4 years, and with the same supervisor, and I know that others that hired on when I did, also get any vacation they ask for, so when did this change, and when did this ban on vacation for being PIPed happen? Then, I was told that a PIP blocks you from moving for three years? Where is any of this written done. I am very confused, and this seems unfair. Thanks for any advice.
I can tell when my positive statements about Honeywell through my multi decades of working for the company get a bunch of negative votes that I hit a nerve. There are too many people working at Honeywell that do not understand how businesses work. For once you entitled employees think how lucky you are first of all to have a job, second be thankful Honeywell has not dumped you yet if you are one of the weak employees complaining all the time. Your time will come though, eventually Honeywell will replace you weak employees with a younger more energetic employee who appreciates Honeywell for their job and loves to work on Honeywell's many, many very important products.
"It's just your turn".
In my experience PIP's are given as a way to motivate you to leave on your own. That way you save the company severance and unemployment to further pad their bonus. Also, during down times Honeywell uses the "Elbow", which is that 15% of any managers direct reports are to be PIP'ed. Typically it has nothing to do with your actual performance rather Honeywell mind games to paint you as a poor performer. I suggest standing your ground against inept management and their lies as the writing is on the wall. At least that way you will retain your self worth & respect.
ive been pip'd twice in 30yrs. ive also won 7 lovely bronze plates , a chairmans award , a couple of "high flyers" and about 200k in retention bonus over those years (stock has gone up). just my turn under bad managers who i outlasted and out earned. do what makes sense for you.. but remember that anger never helps.. anger is always about trying to make others feel guilty. will never happen. how did i survive pips? i did absolutely nothing. pips are either true or false. false pips are about personal conflict. most conflict is about failure to listen. you dont have to do anything else. just rest, and be quiet, and listen. now decide if you want to leave. your choice, no emotion, all good.
Few survive past 45 these days.
Some PIPS are just cost management (saves on bonus or merit payout) mandated to meet a quota or just childishly used to bully you back in line if you are showing up your manager. I am sure you can discern the cause whether it is an early warning of your position being closed or just abuse of the system. Either way Honeywell is a disgusting company with a reputation in tatters so take it as a push to leave and join a company where you can do something meaningful and most likely earn more.
@zuq+1tD9BDW4 Get back to work you! Stop wasting company time obsessively scouring this website all day!
These people on this site are so anti-Honeywell because they are most likely slackers and have been slacking for years and when it catches up to them they scream Honeywell is a bad company. Quite the opposite, Honeywell is a good company that still has a bunch of lazy entitled slackers working for them that Honeywell needs to get rid of. All you old lazy entitled workers who like to complain on this site, man/woman up and quit you pathetic slackers!
Unless you are in a protected class (gray hair club).
Play the game half-heartedly, don’t meet the PIP requirements , still gonna get let go, but inform them that you’d like zoom meeting with your attorney and HR (as soon as you are notified of PIP)
Miraculously they will just “lay you off” WITH severance!