Word and rumors out there this morning is Allstate may be requiring all employees be vaccinated by end of November this year and that they are tying it to their "Wellbeing" program. If this turns out to be the case and of they make this a condition of employment like many companies are doing I assume they would have to make this mandatory for home based workers as well? Any confirmation that this is even happening?
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Listen, the last time I checked, we live in a free country. I am NOT anti-vax. I am pro-choice, pro-informed consent, pro-medical freedom. We inherintly are free. NO ONE has the right to force anyone to do anything. YOU ARE FREE. A free man is a powerful man. Get your house in order. You decide what you want to have happen in your life. I am a long time Allstate loyal and dedicated employee but, I will NEVER get a EUA medical procedure that is not authorized as a "FDA approved vaccination" that has not finished clinical trials and that we DO NOT know the long term affects. It's absurde to think anyone would expect a clear minded, healthy, intelligent human to make such a poor choice. If need be, then I will be terminated and from the position I hold, I can see clearly where Allstate will end up.
Going to be required everywhere. All your heroes lying to you about it are vaccinated and the well put together tiktok or fb post that is pure bu-----t
Allstate can mandate whatever it wants. They can mandate how you dress, how visible your offensive tattoos are, where you work, whether or not you can smoke in the office etc.
You can choose to quit, get tested, or get vaccinated.
You will have a choice-provide proof of vaccine or provide weekly test results.
I hope Allstate doesn't mandate the vax or they will lose me. I'm already over the corporate bu-----t and the invasive surveys at allstate. They keep letting folks go and then dumping the work on the folks left behind. I work hybrid for allstate and bust my a-s for this company and all i get is more work and more micromanaging . I'm fed up and sick of this vac'd vs. unvac'd bu-----t. Test me weekly but asking for my medical records or my religious beliefs is a step too far.
@1ufo+1cbLyYDn - you are an id--t.
Vaccination should be a choice but those that choose not to get it should see a hefty boost in insurance premium. Allstate self-insures and ICU visits by the unvaccinated directly effect all of us. If I have to take a well-being assessment to avoid a surcharge it seems more than reasonable that the unvaccinated should be charged.
To the person that said vaccine or disease...the more likely option is both
@1rmp+1cbLyYDn I've had neither. But I wash my hands and don't have friends, so I stay home 99% of the time
That's the American spirit!
I have a right to not wear a mask or get a vaccine! If I infect you and you get ill or your children die that is your problem not mine.
Everyone will either get the vaccine or the virus. No middle ground on this one.
I'll find a job elsewhere then
It is clear Allstate does not give a damn about any of us. So the vaccination would just be used as a control tactic and nothing else. They probably know a decent chunk of the employee base would not stay if vaccines were mandated as part of employment. Therefor maybe this is another "layoff" but this time no severance. Brilliant of this company to exploit the vaccine for this purpose!
@1oup+1cbLyYDn letting a corporation demand you do something like get a vaccine is opening a door you won't be able to close.
This isn't about get the vaccine or don't, this is about being compelled to do something on the condition of employment that has nothing to do with said employment.
If you can't see that, I pity you
just wait until they start demanding other things because "it isn't just about you".
Lots of issues out there but this isn’t an allstate issue.
Take care of your self and others around you. Get a shot id--ts. Simple.
@1jza+1cbLyYDn this isn't ebola. You're scared of something 99.999% of people will survive. If you're vaccinated great, but there are legitimate reasons to be cautious of those babies, and if you can't admit that, you're oblivious.
You'll probably just down vote me and keep mindlessly droning the narrative. Allstate loves people like you.
Get a drivers license, insurance, plates, tags, seatbelt, dont drink and drive. Pay taxes, be a responsible citizen, the vaccine is not only about you, the id--ts not getting the vaccine only making it worse for everyone else. Stop being such selfish aholes. This country does not need another shutdown due to an out if control pandemic. The lies and hypocrisy in this country need to stop. I remember having to take a dr-g test when I got hired. No vaccine please stay away from the rest of us that truly care.
@owk+1cbLyYDn at what point did anything blame COVID on Allstate, nitwit? You "question nothing, get the shot" sheep are exactly what corporations want, mindless chodes that do exactly as their told without a single passing though about anything.
So COVID is now Allstate’s fault. Get a shot id--ts.
Hey @csl+1cbLyYDnwhy should I bother to expend voluminous time and effort to source everything I quoted when it wasn’t entered for people like you with closed minds, intelligent people can easily do internet research to find articles to original sources to verify what I stated was factual, and the little bit I’ve said 2 posts, one my obvious opinion) was systematically removed because it doesn’t comply with the govt pablum people like you blindly accept? Your Big Brother parroting remains. As if I didn’t perceive that would be the case at this forum. Right
Cat team you have to take daily temperature. But if you have a fever you still have to work.
If you want Allstate to mandate things to you, you're going to have a bad time.
Get the vaccine (or don't, but really it's probably a good idea), but don't let corporations dictate what you do. Give a little, lose a lot.
I'll be unemployed then. No one is going to force me to take a vaccine I don't want.
Hey @duu - some pretty selective quoting there (without sources, btw.) Don’t worry, I actually spent three minutes researching this and - surprise - you’re wrong. Seems better to look for answers objectively as opposed to hand-picking quotes from unlisted sources to support your position. Funny how that works. Short answer is Allstate can absolutely mandate it in some form; whether or not they will (they should for anyone not working from hone at the very least) will be a corporate decision, not one based on law.
Time Magazine three days ago:
“In any event, the first court to rule on it, the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Texas, soundly rejected the “EUA = no mandate” position in the Houston Methodist Case. It held that the EUA statute “neither expands nor restricts the responsibilities of private employers; in fact, it does not apply at all to private employers like the hospital in this case.” The court also rejected the claim that this was human experimentation or coercive.”
https://time.com/6086537/covid-19-vaccine-employer-required/?amp=true
CDC website:
“The Food and Dr-g Administration (FDA) does not mandate vaccination. However, whether a state, local government, or employer, for example, may require or mandate COVID-19 vaccination is a matter of state or other applicable law.”
(Looks like you left that part out, huh?)
CNBC today:
“Government organizations such as the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission have long made it clear that employers can require vaccination.
"The EEOC's guidance that came out in December [2020] made it clear and paved the way to say that employers can mandate vaccines and that this isn't considered a medical examination, which is prohibited by the Americans with Disabilities Act," attorney Renee Mattei Myers told CNBC Make It in Feb. 2021. “
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/08/04/employers-can-require-workers-get-vaccinatedand-it-may-help-business.html
And one more from the AP for good measure:
CAN EMPLOYERS REQUIRE A CORONAVIRUS VACCINE?
Yes. Private companies and government agencies can require their employees to get vaccinated as a condition of working there. Individuals retain the right to refuse, but they have no ironclad right to legal protection.”
“Those who have a disability or a sincerely held religious belief may be entitled to a reasonable accommodation under civil rights laws, so long as providing that accommodation does not constitute an undue hardship for the employer,” said Sharon Perley Masling, an employment lawyer who leads the COVID-19 task force at Morgan Lewis.
Employees who don’t meet such criteria “may need to go on leave or seek different opportunities,” she added.
The U.S. Justice Department addressed the rights of employers and workers in a legal opinion this week. It tackled an argument raised by some vaccine skeptics that the federal Food, Dr-g & Cosmetic Act prohibits employers from requiring vaccination with shots that are only approved for emergency use, as coronavirus vaccines currently are.
Department lawyers wrote that the law in question requires individuals be informed of their “option to accept or refuse administration” of an emergency use vaccine or dr-g. But that requirement does not prohibit employers from mandating vaccination as “a condition of employment.”
https://apnews.com/article/government-and-politics-business-health-coronavirus-pandemic-df4d71cd3d3a6b48ce84f959c8b40da0
@duu The legal system is going to be very busy with the many companies already mandating vaccines for employment such as Apple, Google, and countless others.
“Federal law prohibits employers and others from requiring vaccination with a Covid-19 vaccine distributed under an EUA.
“…the FDA’s guidance on emergency use authorization of medical products requires the FDA to “ensure that recipients are informed to the extent practicable given the applicable circumstances … That they have the option to accept or refuse the EUA product …
an organization will likely be at odds with federal law if it requires its employees, students or other members to get a Covid-19 vaccine that is being distributed under emergency use authorization.
“State law often prohibits retaliating against an employee for refusing to participate in a violation of federal law. Organizations that require Covid-19 vaccination in violation of federal law may face lawsuits under these state laws not only to block the policy but also for damages and attorneys’ fees.”
I would love you to pist your research
Op. I think you meant "Wellness" program. And with how many big businesses are coming out daily requiring their employees to be vaxxed I think it is only a matter of time before businesses start bullying other businesses to require employees to take the jab just like vaxxed citizens have been bullying unvaxxed to take the jab.
I'm vaccinated, but would oppose this mandate, because where does it end?
It's one thing of you work in healthcare and are interacting with sick people all day. Sitting on our butts in front of a computer all day with almost zero interaction with others (especially the remote crowd) does not justify a mandate.
They would try to pull something like this...