Thread regarding Nike Inc. layoffs

I read this whole thread so you don’t have to. It’s basically 1/3 people say "fu-k now i need to find a new job"; 1/3 people saying "dont leave, let them fire you and get severance" and 1/3 boomers saying "you lazy kids need to get your a-s back to the office so someone can show me how to open a pdf"

@2nmf I’ve never understood the logic of “Don’t find another job and then quit your Nike job. Instead wait until you get laid off and can get severance.” I’m someone who unfortunately knows: you really, really don’t want to be looking for a job AFTER you’ve just lost your current job. My entire life I never had any problems at all finding employment…until I was let go from Nike in 2017. Initially I thought “No problem, I’ll have another job in a month. Maybe two at most. In the meantime I have a sweet severance package. I’ll come out of this ahead!” It didn’t work out that way. All of a sudden it was like my resume had a scarlet letter on it. I had been laid off. Too many employers view this as “He must not have been that good, otherwise they would have kept him.” I finally found a job seven months later, for less pay, that I was more or less forced to accept by financial circumstances. At this stage I’m still at that job and happy to be employed. But it has definitely been a downgrade in almost every way. People on this forum really need to stop glorifying being laid off and getting severance. It isn’t the picnic some people here seem to think it is.

One of the intentions of 4:1: People will leave.

If you really want revenge, don't go anywhere.

They are counting on the self-selected reduction to reduce layoff costs.

Sit tight.

For those of us who have been remote for years now, this genuinely came as a shock. I'm not in the office to hear rumors of coming back full time and previous arrangements not being recognized. We just had our first child and now, I'm the primary income earner and I now also have to find work during the holiday season when many companies aren't hiring in a job market that isn't great and they couldn't even bother giving me more of a heads up?? I agree that HR should have communicated this MUCH sooner. I'm definitely someone who thought the company would treat me better than this (because in my opinion, I've been treated great for my 7 years) but it's obvious I'm naive. In shock.

At the very least it’s HR’s job to communicate big life changing decisions like this with empathy and professionalism.

…they couldn’t even release this decision on schedule

@1jow+1p9TpeIC Just FYI you must have a bad manager. It’s not HRs job to talk to you about this. I have a unique situation with someone working out of state and I followed up with HR last week when I heard this was happening. We had to tell the employee today the same thing you heard. You have to be back in the office. Give feedback to your manager why they didn’t have a plan to communicate this.

This is hilarious. I can’t believe someone on here is like “you only care about your PSP” ummm yeah. I care too. How do you not?

@1rhf+1p9TpeIC You aren’t wrong and my manager is a perfect example. Me and his other reports have long suspected that he doesn’t actually do anything while “working” from home. He likes to talk about how busy he always is but suspiciously nobody ever sees any work product from him. He’s always been a total BS’er and the pandemic allowed him to turn his BS amp up to 11. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s one of the people here complaining because now he’s actually going to have to sit in our work area everyday and pretend like he has work to do.

@1rhf+1p9TpeIC your theory seems reasonable on the surface but often correlation does not equal causation. Example - we were more productive in 2020-2021 but less in 2022 WHEN WE RETURNED TO THE OFFICE for the 3/2 hybrid model. Or maybe, folks aren’t feeling quite as motivated as they deal with +7% inflation and companies make record profits but won’t even cover half of the cost of inflation so they’re basically making less year over year. Those are just some things to consider before making sweeping generalizations. The “studies” most of us are exposed to via the news are questionable at best and generally built to support an entrenched position.

I can speak only for myself and my team - we all worked more hours while WFH and now less because we have less time (or motivation) in the day now that we have to get “office ready” and commute.

I’ve found over the last few years that the slackers behaved the same whether in or out of office but I never saw an instance of a previously productive & dedicated employee becoming one of the slackers do to WFH.

couldn't be anything to do with the massive new buildings, Goodyear, CDA, or many other poor executive decisions . Nah. Productivity is in the trash cause we have trash leadership. We get scraps, have to clean up there sh-t and we should ask how high?

I checked with HR today because I've been remote the last two years (on a team that is both in-person and has teammates that work remote in other regions/geos) and they confirmed that I need to find a new job by January. I had to move during covid (husband's job) but they allowed me to stay on due to the fact that I do the job of 5 people combined and I've historically had only great CFEs. I'm not surprised, but really bummed. I asked HR if they were going to tell me and she said it was pretty clear I would have to find a new job but she was happy to clarify since I asked, so no, they weren't (and my home base is not listed as WHQ in Workday). If you're remote and have a weird circumstance check with HR ASAP because they're not reaching out to people to let them know.

@1fpi you said “Being in the office doesn't have any correlation to being productive and achieving business outcomes”.

That’s what everyone wants to believe and what everyone likes to tell themselves. But corporate data collected over the last three years strongly disproves the claim. Sure, you as an individual might be more productive at home and as an individual you might also be able to achieve business results. But collectively that just isn’t what happens. No matter how badly people want to believe otherwise.

The causes for this aren’t entirely known. My own guess is that it’s probably an Occam’s razor situation: “The most simple and obvious explanation is also usually the correct explanation.” That explanation would be, just enough people abuse the flexibility of WFH that it’s enough to noticeably impact overall results.

You can see this both at Nike and in corporate America overall. Which is why corporate productivity between 2022 and today is the lowest it’s been since 1948. There are just enough people working from home who aren’t doing anything that it impacts everyone else.

No one wants to acknowledge this and no one wants it to be true. But it is true. And it’s why you’ll be returning to the office.

@1rnz+1p9TpeIC the ignorance in this post is astounding. Not even going to reply to the ironic ad hom or hollow conclusions, let's talk about how you seem to claim you're a manager but are more interested in PSP than reading the room on things certainly important to your poor ICs... you know, the very topics that impact morale, that directly correlate to PSP prospective. Think more than a step ahead.

I'm pretty sure what I've got nailed as best I can is protecting my teams from bullsh-t like this but its made harder every day by iron age opinions like yours. Make no mistake, we as a unit will suffer from our ELT painting with a broad stroke and your pretty little PSP will suffer too.

As an employee in tech that does 24/7 support, this enforcement will drastically reduce my quality of life. I can’t imagine going back to the way it was since 99% of employees I work with are full time offsite or offshore. Trying to find a place to sit where I can hear and concentrate since I will still be on Zoom everyday. Going back to to having to stay after the lights go out because I can’t work on an issue during commute. The exhaustion and spending free time trying to maintain a household. Another day addition wipes out my last raise due to costs. There’s my rant. Good luck folks.

@1fpi+1p9TpeIC

Awww you don’t have a great work life balance at work?!? You get every Friday home, you get summer hours from Memorial Day to Labor Day, you get power down at the end of the year, you get sabbaticals….are you kidding me?! You know how many jobs have ZERO of that? And you are going to, yes, act like a spoiled child and stomp your feet like someone just asked you to crawl across the desert with no water. You are going to complain about commute times? So you get your best work done everyday at your house in the 30 minutes it takes to get to work? What BS. Guaranteed you aren’t finding your laptop until 3 hours after you scrape yourself out of bed. There is an army of people looking to take your place. Just leave

@1fpi+1p9TpeIC First off, learn to write well. Glad I don’t seem to work with you because this rant is not well formed and having to figure out communication from you would be painful.

I don’t think people need to be in office 5 days a week but I see the gaps this is created because of the people who are not working hard, expecting Nike to please them, and want additional benefits for doing their work. You clearly don’t lead people. This is about bigger picture and success. We have to have big results and we don’t. I’d like PSP again, you clearly think you’ve got that nailed with you just doing you. Think about the company overall.

@1ski+1p9TpeIC you didn't answer the question so I'll answer it for you: Being in the office doesn't have any correlation to being productive and achieving business outcomes, unless the business outcome is to be in the office.

Further people (at least the ones I work with) work flexibly because it allows taking on these impossible global schedules that DO support the business, which stop being practical when corralled into a commuting schedule. Its a win-win when flexibility supports employee work-life balance and a lose-lose when the biz broadly fu--s its people who were by and large doing their best to do the right thing for the biz. If tanking morale was an OKR, check that box early.

Pull the blinders off, this ain't about gas and pizza.

@1fny+1p9TpeIC It’s completely childish to complain about this. If you don’t want to work in an office then work for a company that offers that. People on here talking about free lunch and pay for my gas and who’s going to watch my kid!?!? Come on. Do you think nurses or police officers or a thousand other job van just stomp their feet and be like “I don’t want to go to an office”. Go work somewhere else.

@1kyr+1p9TpeIC what part of being in the office as a special thing makes someone an adult? As compared to someone else diligently working flexibly, often stretching their hours early and late to keep this dumpster fire on the rails? You're telling me that person is the child here?

Please, enlighten us.

Autonomy was taken from managers because they don’t hold people accountable or this wouldn’t be happening. I’m very upset with the people who took advantage of this flexibility and ruined this for those of us who can be adults who go to the office three days a week.

I work in GT, my group is hybrid (3/2), hardly anyone came to office. We work mainly with another group which is 100% remote. Go figure.

Nice, coming into the office just to communicate with ETW’s from India on zoom.

None of this ever is managed consistently. My manager expects me at work and I am but then my neighbor who is an IP attorney can be seen on runs, yard work, my wife sees him at the store in the middle of the day. It all depends on who you work for. No one cares about the policy

If so many people didn’t abuse this program it wouldn’t have gone away. There are so many people not working at all on Fridays. Thanks for ruining this for everyone who actually does work.

There's usually a survey after an All Hands. I wonder if they'll be brave enough to share one this time.

Get everyone back so we can practice the fairness we preach. This "Some people must be in the office 4 days a week but some get to stay 100% remote" is garbage. They initially said people managers are better on-site. I am an IC. Most of my group are ICs, yet we are not remote.

What a mess.

And right before some reorgs in ND.

Don’t be a coward, JD. Turn on the comments for the all employee meeting.

Please attend our all employee meeting next week I will not answer any questions and provide no extra compensation for the added commutes

I can’t believe I’m actually excited for the AES this year. This will be fun.

Agree on the harsh wording. Also, you can’t have employees doing the same work as others still on the remote program. That doesn’t sound like equity to me. Nike used to be known for its work life balance, but now it’s the opposite.

Maybe this is why stock is going higher past few days, someone is expecting big news or

Will be available in Oregon Live soon

Amd we still get to be the "Haves" and "Have Nots" with remote pilot folks staying at home.

THAT is going to be GREAT for our culture and unity. Ridiculous.

Search for flexibleworkmodel on zero.nike.com

What a joke. Please work yourself half to death during a pandemic whilst online schooling your kids, and your reward is we’re now adding Monday as an anchor day. But hey, what better way to attempt a soft layoff! I really don’t know how the ELT sleeps at night. My guess is on the piles of cash they all got as bonuses for laying people off 3 years ago!

Check zero for hybrid work faq or check slack #tech-discussion

Can someone list how they found the article

“You will have no work life balance and be happy”

yep pretty funny they haven't announced it via any official channels. either they didn't expect it to be found, it was leaked, or they just don't care