Personally I don't think October is happening.
My best guess is Jan 3rd will be announced soon.
What's your best guess or why do you think October will stick?
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Dec 9 LTL slipped one week to Dec 16.
Wonder if RTO date or Hybrid terms are changing.
@1xlmx+1cwVaCKQ Correct. Met has bought back more than $15 billion in shares in the past 10 years. Yet here we are getting 1.5% raises. There's a reason why shareholders are at the top of the importance chart.
"MetLife is more concerned about their profits..."
Uhh yeah, have you not paid attention to anything the company has put out in the past 15 years? All they care about is making the shareholders happy, customers and employees only matter if they're making the shareholders' bank accounts happy.
Ooh can someone post the back to the office letter?
@1squa+1cwVaCKQ - What are you referring to in 1945?
Does not seem like a prudent decision being what is going on in the world. As a company they can do what they want, but don't disguise the intent.
"It seems MetLife is more concerned about their profits"
This comment is gold. "I never thought leopards would eat MY face." - Man who joined Leopards Who Eat Faces Party
I am happy to see all the anti-vaxxers up in arms. I hope this makes a lot of you quit. Good riddance.
I still say Jan is not happening.
The virus is spreading again and to open up offices is simply irresponsible. Also the letter they sent has false statements. OSHA has rescinded the mandate pending further court cases with the sixth circuit, so to say it's mandated is a lie. I am simply disgusted by the use of the word "orders" in their note. Orders are not law. Executive orders are not law. It stinks of 1945.
It seems MetLife is more concerned about their profits than the rights of the people and the Constitution of the United States. They say they have our safety as Paramount, I don't see it. Otherwise why would you send people back when they virus is spreading and during the height of flu season. Of course the note comes from legal and not khalaf.
Their statement about OSHA is 100 percent incorrect and they should do their homework.
Industry Leaders? Agile? Inclusive?
More like collaborators, data collectors, and exclusive.
With them now mandating the vax it's back to the salt mines for us.
Shocking -I guess we all were wrong.
Agree @1pygk+1cwVaCKQ.
Also, if people don't want to come in, all they have to do is have one of the many symptoms and you can't come in for 14 days.
Yeah, I had a bit of a fever, then it went away.
Nope. January is not happening. Covid is spreading and they always say the employees health and safety is Paramount, so why return while the virus is spreading? People are working from home just fine. The whole deep cleaning the office when someone gets it just makes no sense. The person has already interacted with everyone and touched everything and they clean after the fact. Cleaning is ok but it does but stop the spread when the infected are working in the building and roaming around. Just make wfh permanent to those who want it.. be a leader not an industry follower. Take a hint from Allstate.
Who thinks January is still a go?
Don't bank on January either.
Covid spreading again vaxed or not.... And you won't be fully vaxxed unless you have booster after booster to infinity every six months.
@leather jacket comment made me chuckle pretty hard. Spot on.
Who thinks met will mandate the vaxx ?
Based on today's CHRO email, MetLife will let the government do the mandating. But, effectively, yes, MetLife will mandate the vaccine.
I'd guess there will be an "out" if you get weekly testing, but Biden is going to push companies to do this and companies that have large amounts of government business (and we do) will of course comply.
Congrats to the January predictors. You guys were right.
In-person collaboration suddenly no longer an urgent necessity....
Jan 10, 2022 - I was close
Aren’t we supposed to get 30 days notice? Are we to assume Oct 12 is sticking?
Well. Maybe we'll find out if the RTO date got moved during Thursday's, "Let's Talk Live!".
Or maybe we'll have a full hour of learning what our special purpose is, with a tip of the hat to Navin R. Johnson, in the movie, "The Jerk".
Who thinks met will mandate the vax
HR here again.
Well, since Google has announced their RTO in January 2022, we in leadership would like to lead by announcing that our compulsory RTO date is now projected to be January 2022. We're going out on a limb announcing this before we see what Prudential, Bank of America and Chase do because we are independent thinkers.
However, we are relaxing our volunteer program, and you can start coming back with no questions asked on any days that you feel like it, provided you are vaccinated.
If you are un-vaccinated, please stay away.
Thanks,
HR.
Google announced a shift from October to early January 2022 for RTO today.
Go ahead MetLife "leadership" time to play follow the real leader.
The question at this point is going to be whether or not there will be a mandate.
Oh, you all busted me.
I'm blond and wear a black leather jacket and give out 1.5% raises.
Believe me now, or believe me later.
Oct 12.
Yes, sounds like HR or executives I'll bet. Clueless beings doing clueless things in this organization.
Looks like HR commenting
Lol
@BOTH camps, I'll put you in just plain don't want to RTO. COVID or no-COVID, you don't want to RTO. COVID is just a convenient reason.
And, that's fine. I asked for honesty.
Thing is, the company also gets a say in what happens. I'm not saying they should, but it's their right to say you have to show up. You might be right that you are more efficient at home. Most of my co-workers don't even work at the site I go to. They might be in India, or Europe or Asia. There is definitely something for being able to stop by their desk and have a conversation. I find work both harder and less satisfying that I used to.
The other side of the coin is, if your job doesn't require you to come in, ever, then your job can be done from anywhere on the globe that has internet. To companies, that generally means the job will go to the lowest cost location.
There are some arguments for at least partial RTO that seem valid to me. But, valid or not, given the India experience with Delta, I expect it to peak in mid-September and I predict that October 12 RTO happens.
@Inquiring Minds - Honestly, BOTH camps here.
Here are the reasons:
No RTO, period because we have proven that more work gets done, we all save money, we all have better work life balances. Nothing from a work deliverables perspective has slipped, and the "building relationships" argument is nonsense. We can get together once in a while for that kind of stuff.
In terms of vaccines and doing things. I do some of those things. I do them with a mask, and I do them for limited amounts of time. I still get the majority of my shopping done online and by delivery.
The key here is that doing all of these things for the last few months while vaccinated has been significantly safer. Now that they are realizing that a 3rd shot is needed as a booster, it changes the game, yet again. If the vaccine was "highly effective" for the first 6 months, and now it is starting to deteriorate in terms of effectiveness, AND they are already discussing a 3rd as a booster that tells me that sm--k dab in the middle of the RTO plan is when I'll be the least protected I have been in months, AND that is also with the Delta (or worse variant by October) that spreads much more easily and may be more resistant to the vaccine.
Our CEO tells us to follow the science which I am all for, and right now the science is telling me that at best we are approaching a period of uncertainty that the previous 12+ months of data, studies, and recommendations may be changing based on deteriorating vaccine effectiveness and a variant that is more resistant and more easily spread.
So if you are still an inquiring mind after digesting some of those facts, I'd love to hear the amazing reasoning why after 18 months of proven efficiency on the work side, and proven effectiveness of preventing spread and illness, why its imperative to haphazardly push everyone back to the office when there are multiple unknowns on the horizon when it comes to vaccine effectiveness, delta variant, and whatever new variants are inevitably coming.
Ok. You "I don't want to return to work because it is dangerous" folks, answer honestly:
Are you going out at all now?
Do you go to the grocery store? Or do you have everything delivered?
Do you pickup from a coffee shop?
Do you go in?
Do you get your hair and nails done?
Do you go out to eat?
Are you planning on sending your children to school?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Also, have you been vaccinated? (It is true that you can get COVID if you have been vaccinated, but BY FAR the folks who are getting it and dying are the unvaxed.)
I just want to know if you are consistent in your behavior. I'm trying to sort out legitimate, consistent view points from just plain anti-RTO sentiment.
The virus is spreading faster than last year at this time. The summer months should see low numbers instead of escalating numbers. Infections are increasing in both camps and the vaxed are getting sick as well needing hospitalization. The numbers are only going to get higher in the fall and winter. So if the numbers are higher now than even last January why on God's earth would you open up and put people at risk? Is you working in an office worth your life or a family members life? People talk about percentages and it is meaningless until one of those percentages is a loved one. The WFH model is not going away so companies should be first movers and keep their talent, otherwise employees will eventually find greener pastures that offers a true work life balance. Nothing is worth your health.
@2rzd+1cwVaCKQ problem is that those who have been vaccinated in Feb and March, will have significantly reduced effectiveness within 8 months of the last shot, so they will be at higher risk at the exact time of the RTO. Third shots are coming, and it will be irresponsible to have people in the office before that happens. Just my opinion.
Don't get yourself mentally set for a slip of the Oct 12 date.
Sure, there is a chance that it might slip.
But management will think this way:
1) Delta will peak in mid September and then drop considerably.
2) They need to get people used to coming back to the office ideally to do Q3 processing and to get everyone in a groove for Q4.
3) COVID is now endemic. At some point you've just got to live with it and resume normal life, whatever that is.
For them, the vaccine / no-vaccine thing is a giant headache, but apparently many HR foks are in the anti-vax camp.
So, it will be interesting. But, plan on Oct 12. If it moves out, you can be happy. But if you are already mentally anticipating it moving out, and it doesn't, you might get depressed.
You aren't practicing anything then. Delta variant spreads incredibly easily. What makes it "best for you" that you don't get vaccinated?
There is a pretty short list of legitimate reasons you should not get the vaccine, and even then you are putting anyone around you at risk.
@ I actually think. Ah no you don’t actually think. How are unvaccinated freeloading off vaccinated?
I am unvaccinated, I practice every precaution so as to not contract Covid. Health choices are personal. One should never be forced or penalized for making medical decisions they know is best for themselves.
I do my part ONLY to protect myself and my family. I’m not of the altruistic brainwashed group.
I would bet on January. Make it after MLK day and call it a plan. After all the holidays and kids are back in school.
October will come and go... With Covid spreading and numbers much higher than last year, why would you open during "flu" season .. makes zero sense.. unless they truly do not have their employees safety in mind... And since the shot does not prevent the spread or anything else it is downright irresponsible to open imo
If Prudential mandated the shot ........
I actually think Oct 12 will stick this time.
I think the Delta wave will have done it's damage on the unvacced by then and the case and death numbers will start to look pretty good in the USA.
That said, I think the CDC relenting on requiring masks in the work environment for at least those who have been fully vaccinated will have to happen first. Otherwise it's not going to be workable.
I could see Met requiring vaccination as a condition to return to the office with an increased health insurance amount for those that don't get vaccinated. Harsh, yeah, but the unvacced are free loading on the vaccinated and are a risk to themselves and everyone else.