Interesting wasn’t expecting that. Indications were BAE insourcing a lot of resource at the moment
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'll bet they will enjoy Cap. Here's the latest layoff post from their board
https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1kjasjmk9#replies
Sound familiar?
Didn't we just leave this party?
as someone who works at Capgemini this is sort of true but the company still treats us better than DXC does. It's a low bar but yeah, its like going from sh-t to meh
@1mz they are all as bad as each other. All playing the same game. No wonder nobody wants to work in IT anymore. The world is slowly falling apart. You can't get anything done. Nothing works quite right. Nobody cares or wants to help. When it's ok, it's ok. When it's not. Oh well forget that as it's way too much hassle.
@1kr I'll bet they will enjoy Cap.
Here's the latest layoff post from their board
https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1kjasjmk9#replies
Sound familiar?
Didn't we just leave this party?
Cap are getting SAP projects and support, Lots of DXC SAP old-timers looking very happy
I wish we'd lost the lot and all been paid off to go as of 1st June. It could still happen perhaps!? I'm not sure where I fit in anymore. It seems cap and others do everything anyway. What am I here to do?
Didn't BT run BAE's network some time ago already? Back when CSC decided to ditch doing networks and handed the whole EMEA network to BT, staff and all? Maybe in 2005?
@1ha The whole thing needs ripping out and starting again. But of course BAE would never do that because they don't like any change at all. They love adding new servers and new software to do the simplest of tasks rather than investing in one central and resilient instance which can be leveraged consistently time and time again. I'm not quite sure who drives this mess. It seems to me both sides believe it has to be done this way and nobody dare or care's to challenge it.
@11h+1krnaztg9 I am not surprised BT bid and won that networks contract, none of the incumbent suppliers want to take on BAE network which is a notorious mess
legacy tech debt and just absolute sh1thouse design
and anyone who has been on a visit to their onsite datacenters knows they arent even properly documented
their secure networks dont have a proper support wrap so its basically joey and whoever is on around the area working on it
just wait till you deal with BTs way of working and people will cry blue
There's been no internal comms on what's going on with us and the BAE account. I'm not sure that some of my colleagues who don't read the tech news even know. They've not mentioned it. I assume specific people who are being let go might have been told. But perhaps as usual there is no plan.
BAE contracts with its suppliers are coming to an end and as part of their new strategy everything is being restructured
before, BAE EITS managed most of the company on the Groups behalf while IMT managed Submarines
DXC were subcontracted by EITS
Capgemini were subcontracted by IMT
both are getting these contracts extended for now while they unpick everything for the new strategy
going forward, it will all be managed as one org, so everything including subs will be under one supplier
Capgemini gets some kind of siam and service desk model and will manage the other suppliers service
Computacenter gets end user desktop support etc
Hosting is going to DXC
BT gets networks, good luck there because theyll need it
The only reason BAE are keeping DXC is because 1) they can bully them with service penalties and save on cost and 2) DXC have all of their infrastructure hostage in their kent datacenters whereas the stuff Capg looks after is all onpremise at BAE sites so is easier to lift and shift management to the next supplier
expect it to be a massive fustercluck as usual
@eg Cap really don't need DXC. Their engineers are engaged, and know their stuff. I don't know about BT. If the intention is to TUPE people across on their current salary and they think they've put up with it for 10 years so we'll just take your knowledge and expect you to work alongside BT staff who presumably have had pay rises so get paid more - then think again. Those people will leave quickly once the redundancy door closes. Or they can try and convince everyone that DXC staff have been overpaid for the last 10 years so their salary still needs to fall before it rejoins the elevator or salary rises. But we all know that's not true with DXC taking on staff on typically 20%+ more as they have to match market rates when recruiting new staff.
When do the new contracts start?
Presumably a load of tupe will happen.
We were apparently recommended by Andrew Mountbatten Windsor.
@bv Cap Gemeni gets everything software related by the sounds of it. Or are at least are in charge. No announcement internally at DXC on where we are. Presumably because it means redundancies for all but the data centre. And despite knowing what's coming they have focused on a fanfare about the win and largely ignoring the losses.
https://www.capgemini.com/news/press-releases/capgemini-to-support-technology-transformation-at-bae-systems-as-strategic-partnership-enters-new-phase/
What about cc?
@bv it's dxc for hosting, bt for network and cap gemini doing something.
Supposedly dxc is delivering "ai cloud" which presumably is just normal cloud with the word "ai" tacked onto the front to hype it up.
BT gets networks. Anything to do with the so called DXC networks strike?
https://newsroom.bt.com/bt-pens-deal-to-provide-secure-connectivity-for-bae-systems/
Who got the other towers?
The reasoning is prob more around the complexity and years of historic spaghetti setup. Trying to migrate every VM service to a new provider would be some form of nightmare and ultimately give them absolutely nothing other than a huge cost and headache. You would still have a bloated VM running a once a week tasks. I think BAE will and should continue to migrate to microservices that perform these tasks and look to rationalise and modernise. Those don't have to be hosted with DXC in a DXC building, but probably will be. Once it's cleaner they can look again at our involvement.
It is being portrayed as a win for DXC but that is total BS. DXC keep hosting but lose MWP and most of networking to CC and BT. So in reality it's a big loss of revenue and profits.
@ac everyone is heading to retirement! The people off sick are because they can't stand DXC. When you tell your doctor how we ar treated here there is no issue getting signed off with stress. Plenty have done it. You get your full pay for 6 months, and then nobody can say you're essential and we can't do without you. Because they just had to! Meanwhile your salary doesn't change, you don't loose any bonus. I can't really see any down side. If the company has too many people out maybe it should look at it's policies and question what it's doing to cause it.
It makes no sense to tupe anyone who is likely to retire or be long term sick.
That makes up 80% of DXC then
BAE are as lumbering and slow and still work like it's 1970 just like DXC. So it's a good fit. The issue remains that staff in BAE are on published grades, and get pay rises and bonuses. DXC does not. Other suppliers have engaged staff, wanting to do a good job. Because they get a decent wage and treated well. They don't have to fight for expenses and approval to do the job they've been asked to do. DXC staff do not.
How is BAE/DXC planning on re-engaging the staff? Or does it not care. Are we all still just care takers there for insurance until BAE finally manage to switch to more modern systems with their other partners. That's how it seems to have been for 18 months now. I've hardly done anything. Everything I tried to do is blocked by BAE or DXC. I gave up trying in the end....