Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

The way I see things...

I worked as a developer in the Fusion Middleware area, first on the on-premise tools and later on Oracle Cloud.

My experience at Oracle was extremely negative. I believe a large part of that was because I am female, honest, and a highly competent developer.

Those qualities were not valued in Oracle development. Let me address each of them individually.

Female - There were no female managers or architects in the area where I worked. Management was dominated by Indian men from a culture where women are expected to be subordinate to men, and in my experience that attitude showed clearly. I worked for multiple managers who used the same kinds of tactics. They sabotaged demos I was giving by providing incorrect conference numbers, setting me up to demo on systems with bad network settings that caused slow screen updates, telling me to prepare slides for a two-hour session and then suddenly saying I only had one hour while pretending surprise that I had created slides because I had been instructed to do so. I was also once paired with another manager’s aggressive subordinate, who went first and then claimed I was demonstrating something different from what I had been told, making me appear unprepared.

I was undermined in many other ways as well. I was restricted in what I could work on, excluded from status meetings, denied information, given incorrect information, and subjected to every kind of obstruction imaginable.

Not everyone behaved this way, but enough men did that it became impossible to function normally. I was constantly forced into a defensive position. Although there were a couple of senior managers above me who supported me, my direct managers did not, and they had enough control to make it appear that I was the problem when I was not.

There were a few women I interacted with. Some, like me, were honestly trying to do their jobs. But one woman in marketing appeared to believe it was in her interest to undermine me with the men, and another woman who was very involved with one manager also helped set me up at one point. Because of that, I eventually felt I could not even trust the other women at the company.

Before Oracle, I had been a very successful developer at other companies and had received awards for my work. Oracle has serious cultural problems, and if you are a female developer, I would advise leaving the company. There is a much better life outside of it.

Honest - The managers were, in my opinion, largely incompetent. They were deeply insecure, and even the slightest sign of initiative beyond what they explicitly directed was treated as a threat. From what I observed, this was true of nearly every manager I encountered. They were paranoid, dysfunctional, and operating inside an equally dysfunctional environment. Managers would temporarily align with one another to sabotage employees or other managers they wanted to target. It genuinely seemed like they enjoyed doing this, and that much of their professional world revolved around schemes to damage someone else’s reputation or career.

By the end, I felt as though I was working inside an organized crime operation. The sabotage never stopped. One manager cultivated loyal enforcers who would do whatever he wanted to anyone he targeted. Unfortunately, I ended up under this truly toxic individual. Oracle moves developers around like interchangeable parts, and you often have no control over who you work for. This manager made s-xual comments toward me and treated me in a degrading way. He isolated me from others in the group and refused to assign meaningful work. In my opinion, he was deeply disturbed and manipulative.

Later, he worked with another manager and a woman connected to that manager to isolate me further and pressure me into writing a new application they intended to take credit for themselves.

There is no place for honesty at Oracle. If you want to be a thug and enjoy the idea of operating inside something that feels like a mafia structure, then Oracle may suit you. Honesty will not help you succeed there.

Extremely Competent Developer - If you are a strong developer who wants to build meaningful products and do real engineering work, Oracle is not the right place. I was an excellent developer. Earlier in my career, there were times when my abilities were questioned because I was female, but I was always able to prove myself and earn the trust of the men around me through competence and results.

At Oracle, competence was not appreciated. The managers I worked with valued loyalty above all else, and the people most loyal to management were often the least capable technically. They protected their jobs by flattering managers, attacking other developers, and helping management manipulate or undermine people within the company.

I was promoted once while I was there, but I believe that only happened because of intervention from a senior manager above me. Even while I had support at higher levels, the manager directly above me continued sabotaging me constantly.

I would have left earlier, but I had reasons for staying, so I continued trying to demonstrate what I could do, just as I had at previous companies. None of it mattered. Management remained determined to harass me regardless of my abilities.

I also saw other highly competent developers, including men, targeted in many of the same ways. My impression was that management feared capable developers because they themselves were incompetent, insecure, and uncomfortable with real technical discussions about products or code.

One important thing to understand is that none of this was obvious at first. The managers were skilled at hiding what they were doing until you started paying very close attention. They always had plausible explanations ready, and because you want to be cooperative and professional, you initially accept those explanations and move on.

For a long time, I had an application that I mostly worked on independently, and that insulated me somewhat.

My competence also allowed me to survive there longer than many people would have. My first manager gave me increasingly difficult assignments. Initially, I believed that meant he trusted my abilities. Later, I realized he was escalating the difficulty in hopes that I would fail. I believe he wanted to point to the “incompetent woman” and say, “See, she couldn’t handle the work.” But that never happened because I successfully completed every assignment I was given.

It is a deeply unhealthy place. If you dislike women, will blindly obey your manager, including sabotaging coworkers, and especially if you enjoy attacking people and playing dirty tricks, Oracle may be the place for you.

If you actually want to do real engineering work, almost anywhere else would be better.


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@1zq

The first reply in this thread. He states he is a male, at least two people overlooked that point. It is a trivial item that generated at least 4 extra posts in this thread.

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@1tw

what is HIS post

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@1qf

Bro, it is not a "sidecar", it appears to have been the literal business model across tech for over 2 decades now.

F Oracle.
F tech.
F "needed" H1Bs.

People crying already, I can't wait to see what happens as this war continues and is not wound down. The world economy is in a perilous position.

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@16w

Haha, nice catch. It appears both me and my critic overlooked that word in HIS post. But my inference was still correct. :-)

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Post ID: @1tw+1ks3yy45j

@1qf Those FAANG people are in for a rude surprise, as the next job won't pay anything close to the old salary.

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Post ID: @1st+1ks3yy45j

@103 AI does not care about male/female
Oracle does not care , they took out random 10-12k people.

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Post ID: @1qg+1ks3yy45j

@103

Focus on the topic, moving to hatred and sidecar patterns are not great.

Oracle literally sc--wed by layoff - reducing 1 month cobra,
Microsoft made sure, people take leave on their own terms.
Meta made sure, 18 months covered with 16 weeks, plus 2 weeks / year, so they can survive and search for next career path.

But Oracle, made sure, you are doomed.
Ignore Mangers, internal org fights.

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Post ID: @1qf+1ks3yy45j

@103 why would you have “considered it” based on your generalized worldview when he says in his post in the very first sentence that he’s a male…

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Post ID: @16w+1ks3yy45j

@f7

You are incorrect. I did consider that this person could have been female, but then realized such a post would be very unlikely to come from a female. It is rare for a woman to feel strongly on such a subject as this.

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Post ID: @103+1ks3yy45j

"The managers were, in my opinion, largely incompetent."
This. Any many of these people individually produce nothing.

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Post ID: @j0+1ks3yy45j

@f7 get angry like your emoji.... that fixes everything. You id-iots that have been trained to get angry over everything don't seem to realize that anger turns off a lot of rational thinking capabilities in the brain. It makes you useless... that's why you were trained to do it. If you don't think that our brains are being messed with on a daily basis you need to start paring attention.

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Post ID: @h1+1ks3yy45j

You also need to consider that, before cultural differences, gender, or any other factor comes into play, managers, colleagues, peers, and stakeholders may sometimes feel threatened by highly competent people. This is a well-known dynamic, and I’m sure many people can relate to it.
I know it may sound counterintuitive, but sometimes appearing less competent or less threatening can actually work in your favor :) .

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Post ID: @fs+1ks3yy45j

@ec you fail to consider that @a5 might also be female....😡

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Post ID: @f7+1ks3yy45j

@a5

I disagree with your last line sir. In my opinion, it is not only tolerated, but it is recruited and accepted. Why do you have so many examples in your mind you could likely recall, if it were not the case?

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@dg

Why is it that you almost never see US-born or American engineers under the age of 45 writing code or handling core technical responsibilities at this company?

Look closely at the organizational split: younger American professionals are heavily concentrated on the business side—working as managers, scrum masters, or product owners—where they can avoid hands-on coding and technical execution.

As a result, Oracle has systematically relied on Indian and Asian talent to fill these core engineering and development roles. In my several years of engineering experience here, I have virtually never seen a younger, domestic individual contributor at the coding level.

No one can deny the reality of the floor layout: the actual technical execution is left almost entirely to immigrant and Asian talent, driven by a corporate strategy that favors lower-cost labor pipelines for heavy development work.

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Post ID: @e1+1ks3yy45j

The current demographic breakdown lacks true diversity, with the vast majority being Chinese, followed by Indians, and then other smaller groups. There is also a noticeable presence of non-technical individuals filling roles where deep technical skills are needed.

In my direct experience, the management style of certain leadership groups within this demographic is highly toxic. Rather than collaborating, some managers demonstrate a fierce, defensive attitude, routinely throwing other employees and competing teams under the bus to protect their own interests.

Furthermore, heavy internal hiring networks - espcialy CHINESE/ASIANS —where relatives and close connections from the same cultural background are consistently brought into the company—have created an insular environment

While demographics vary, the management culture among certain leadership groups can be incredibly challenging. In my experience, some managers exhibit a highly defensive, "throw you under the bus" attitude to protect their own scope and teams at the expense of others.

Ultimately, these issues aren't strictly about a specific nationality or region. The root cause is a flawed corporate environment where toxic leadership behaviors are tolerated, directly degrading the culture of the teams they lead.

I report to INDIAN, and collaborate with ASIAN/American-Business group

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Post ID: @e0+1ks3yy45j

I left because i was the only non-indian in a group of 22. have nothing against indians and i'd do hte same thing if it was any other group (mormons, british, persians, you name it). it's not healthy and you cannot operate in an environment that you do not understand (structurally, politically, etc.).

so yeah, it's a monoculture - not my cup of tea. much happier now in a fairly balanced and diverse environment.

again, nothing against this or that group.

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Post ID: @dg+1ks3yy45j

Agree with the posts. Sad. Tech companies have Caste problem.

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Post ID: @c2+1ks3yy45j

I have NEVER seen a coordinated effort between a director and an IC5 to bring me under at any company besides Oracle.

The IC5 was d-mbfounded when he realized I was indeed, not an H1B slave they could control.

And I am pretty sure they are an H1B themselves. Fu--ing sick.

Things sometimes happen to bad people. I'm pretty sure both of them are on a PIP.

Fu--ing garbage can go get deported.

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Post ID: @bk+1ks3yy45j

he Incompetence of Outdated Leadership
Management across the board is struggling with deeply outdated technical knowledge. This isn't unique to any specific region or gender; it is a systemic, laid-back corporate culture focused entirely on maintaining the status quo rather than driving innovation.

My own manager is a 30-year veteran whose engineering foundation peaked when Java was never in the industry. Leaders like this survive purely on corporate politics and protectionism—safeguarding their own job security while abandoning the growth of their teams.
not even one manager encourage and mentor their juniors and prepare the future leaders.

A Stagnant Tech Stack by Design
True innovation is actively suppressed. New ideas are routinely shut down by leadership exercising raw authority. The company operates in a perpetual maintenance mode. To put this in perspective:

We are still heavily reliant on Java 8.

We only managed to migrate to Spring Boot two years ago.

There is virtually zero Python footprint.

Modern UI frameworks like React, Angular, or Node.js are bypassed in favor of Oracle JET—a proprietary framework that absolutely no one uses outside of this company.

This outdated tech stack severely cripples developers, depreciating their market value and making it incredibly difficult to clear interviews when looking for jobs elsewhere.

An Aging Leadership Echo Chamber
The demographic layout of leadership explains this stagnation:

Directors and Managers: Typically 45–55 years old.

VPs: Typically 50–60 years old.

Average Team Age: Comfortably in the 40s.

When an entire organization is run exclusively by an aging leadership echo chamber built on legacy systems, innovation becomes impossible.

Unequal Rewards and Misaligned Layoffs
Rank-and-file employees face frozen promotions and zero salary hikes, with leadership constantly blaming poor product sales. Yet, M4-level managers and above consistently allocate massive RSU packages to themselves.

If this company wants to survive, it needs to stop laying off the young talent who bring modern skills to the table. Instead, it needs to clear out the legacy management layer that is holding the technology back.

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Post ID: @ae+1ks3yy45j

Spot on on many levels, I found as an Asian (not Indian as I don't consider them Asians but thats another subject entirely) male I and some of my other Asian, Afro-American and other races not from India sometimes treated badly by our Indian managers. Not always, but the pro Indian male arrogance seen at Oracle has led to many a very skilled non Indians leaving for better opportunities. Don't get me wrong, there are a LOT of very kind, professional, male (and female) Indians at all levels. yet there are also a ton who think that other races and genders are supposed to be subservient to them. That culture may have worked in India, but its not tolerated in the US and other countries. Great post, thank you.

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