I heard that we may have reorganization on the IT side and that some groups will be merged. This will impact managers and staff as well. I am not saying BD will have layoffs in 2015 but it looks like a reorg is almost certain. If that happens, make sure you are covered, work hard, contribute and of course, pray.
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I need help; I need to know how to find a contracting job and not being ripped off.
I am close to 60 and I really don’t think I could easily find a regular employee job after I had been layoff. So, I think all I could do is picking up some short term contracting jobs with hourly rate. The strange thing is, all these recruiters who had contacted me have non-American names and I really don’t feel I could trust them. I am not a racist; all I want is just a fair rate. Any help and suggestion is welcome.
Depends on which survey you are looking, the IT outsourcing has a failure rate between 25% to 50%.
BD's IT management is fully aware this outsourcing deal will not save money but costing huge problems.
But their opinion was ignored because the senior management just want to sell assets to cover holes in the book.
The sad thing is, it will take couple years for the management to admit they made a mistake, by that time, the damage has been done, both to the company and the employees.
http://www.cio.com.au/article/521344/outsourcing_adieu_companies_retake_reins_it_services/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/09/how-the-cult-of-shareholder-value-wrecked-american-business/
The link provides RESHORING not outsourcing companies.
Have Worked with all of them - wipro, tata, Infosys, hcl, many domestic outsourcers, ibm, accenture, deloitte, ey, cognizant - they all suck, hcl is by far the worse. Acn pays the best and has the best folks.'they are the most expensive tho.'sorry phone keyboard sucks
Www.reshorenow.org/companies-reshoring
I agree, looks for job while your are still employed, once you had been layoff, the hiring company will look at you like expired food on the supper market shelf. Do not wait for the package, you end up loosing more.
Maybe it's simply time to move on, and take all of your expertise with you. It's exhausting to think about sabotaging the hcl employees, not to mention unnecessary, since they will not possess the skills necessary to get the job done anyway. They may learn the procedural steps but they will never extract your intuition and the professional nuances and skills that make you the unique professional that you are. If BD and the shareholders are satisfied with mediocre at best rather than exceptional, so be it.
Management could use an overhaul. 12 hour work days leave no room for a life. And some co- workers can be trusted as far as you can throw them.
Dear colleagues - here is the missing layoff survival guide: Learn from us experts that have already gone through what Becton Dickinson is putting you guys through as it gradually replaces each of you domestic counterparts with cheaper offshore workers. Follow the instructions carefully: 1. Don't write any code comments, or if you do, don't explain how things work 2. Create silos of local work groups and work face to face.. No email on how/what you've done. 3. If overseas teams ask you how to do things, give a broad brush overview, no details. 4. Write more complicated code that is more difficult to understand, provided it does not affect the underlying performance/reliability. 5. Don't write complete design documents. IF you write design documents, write enough to get management to think it's done, but not enough for engineers offshore to do anything useful with it. 6. Occasionally, take a vacation day off on short notice, and let things just "blow up" after you hand off your work to offshore teams. When you come back and things are completely not working, send lots of email about what a terrible job people have done... 7. Always blame problems on offshore teams, no matter how small. 8. Always blame the reason why you problems can't be fixed earlier is because there is a 15+hour timezone difference between headquarters and those remote offices. 9. Hold meetings at times that is convenient for you but in the middle of the night for those offshore teams. 10. Make sure your meetings you conduct locally are as efficient as possible and make your local U.S. totally in sync and ahead of the work schedule before you even meet with the offshore team. That way, it makes them look incompetent. 11. The best meetings are the ones held at 5:00pm PST on Friday, since that will be Saturday overseas, so the ones that most won't show up.And the ones that do show up, end up having to take time off their personal schedule to do it...Make sure this is a reoccurring weekly meeting... 12. At the last minute, reschedule those meetings for the next week (but continue to meet locally and carry on your business). 13. Make sure you send out a meeting notes to senior management, indicating who attended and more importantly, who didn't attend... 14. When someone screws up overseas, always make sure you take the initiative to fix the problem, and make sure you send out 5+ emails telling management how you fixed the problem, describing in extreme detail how things got so screwed up and how you fixed it. And most importantly, if you're going down, you might as well create as much havoc internally inside the company as possible. Nothing is worse more than a company has so much internal conflict that efficiency and productivity comes to a halt..It's 10x worse than any sort of external competition....And that's the predicament corporations and will put the company in when it starts trying to just save on "cost" by offshoring.... TAGS: (document, layoff, outsourcing, documentation, process)
HCL is a company that seeks the lowest cost Indian, and offers visa's. I've heard some horrid 1st hand, recent stories about those guys, the working conditions, and the treatment of the few US citizens associated. The war on citizens continues. Collusion between the greed of business and the power seeking of politicians must end. We're caught in the middle. And, oh yeah......the middle has been losing actual wages for 6+ years. Unemployment is up 1% already this year, in the RTP area. Good luck.
What the management trying to do is using accounting gimmick to make selling assets looks like they are generating profits.
This might push up BD's stock price temporary, but at the end, it will drop big time once the Wall street found out the truth
If you have BD stock, sell them before they drop
It appears the IT layoffs will start with the ITIL layers, then proceed to manufacturing where business lines will be sold and plants will be closed. This is the beginning of the new BD.
It seems amazingly shortsighted to think that people who prefer to work as regular employees, who have a sense of ownership and pride in their jobs, would transfer to unstable contract positions. The brain trust is already eroding and will continue to do so to the severe detriment of the business. The brightest will be the first to find jobs. Considering how much work there is still to do to merge our companies at a technical level, are they prepared to have nobody who knows the systems left to do this difficult work?
They aren't even giving us a reason to join the outsourcing company. You only get severance if you don't take the job and there is no guarantee they will keep you on, especially if you make a decent salary. Furthermore, the people they will bring in from the outside are the kind of people that like short term work and the revolving door of such people will seriously hamper the speed and quality of service delivery. This isn't even contract to hire so how stable do they think these people will be? The only exception to that would be people from foreign countries they can keep on the hook with work visas locked to this company.
The stock market had gone up for 7 years and the next possible recession is around the corner. It is 10 times better to secure a stable job NOW then wait for the severance package. Look back on 2008, there were no jobs at all.
It will be difficult to prove age discrimination here.
Also, you will be asked to sign paper to agree not to sue if you want your severance package.
The best thing to do is finding a job before you need to train the foreigner to replace your American job, it will be a humiliating task. Nobody should go through that for the little money BD will pay you.
why nobody shares
We (In Europe IT) have been told we will find out in 2-3 weeks what our situation will be...
As long as the out sourcing firm offer you a job at "market" rate. even it is lower than your current salary, BD do not need to pay you any severance based on current US law, except for the unused vacation days, So, if you get an offer from the out sourcing firm, you are screwed with lower salary, short term employment and no severance.
So it is better to refuse to have an interview. In case you are forced to talk to them, just don't show up with whatever reason you can come up.
Check out HCL and Wipro's salaries for American employees
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Employer=HCL_America,_Inc./Salary
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Employer=Wipro_Technologies_Ltd./Salary
The salary is very low compare to any American company is willing to pay their IT employees.
We now know that Atos will no longer be used for parts of the IT dept. BD will either use Wipro or HCL which are based out of India.
They let most of the Pyxis Supply reps go today
One of the reasons why BD is not disclosing the name of the out souring firm is because curtain SLA agreements is based on how many employees is willing to take a job from the out souring firm. The out sourcing firm could back out or scale back if not enough knowledge is being transferred.
This is what BD managements hope, there are enough IT employees are stupid enough to transfer to the out souring firm. This way, BD don't have to pay the package and also maintain a smooth transition. However, we all know that the out sourcing firm will layoff BD's employee within a year with nothing in the package. The only one thing BD employees can do now is not being stupid and say no to the out sourcing firm.
This is what BD managements hope, there are enough IT employees are stupid enough to transfer to the out souring firm. This way, BD don't have to pay the package and also maintain a smooth transition. However, we all know that the out sourcing firm will layoff BD's employee within a year with nothing in the package. The only one thing BD employees can do now is not being stupid and say no to the out sourcing firm.
I'm currently in the IT department in the Franklin Lakes, NJ facility. There was a round of layoffs yesterday. There is going to be a major reorganization as every aspect of the IT dept will be outsourced. This is confirmed info. Do no apply for IT for BD until at least April of 2016. The major changes are going to start in 2 weeks and the IT consolidation and outsourcing will be complete by March 2016.
I can confirm that a round of layoffs occurred on 9/16/2015. As I am no longer with the company but have close connections, I can at least confirm that four positions within San Diego Dispensing R&D were eliminated.
I heard it started today...
don't worry, even if every system crashes and not functioning, the management and the out sourcing firm will fake the data and make it look like a great success.
I'm curious to see how they lay off when there are 600 people in the possible mix. Unless they have all positiond covered with consultants already. I guess that's why they will do it in two rounds. I thought they said they needed to lay off another 100 after the last cut. What's the magic number?
IT in NJ for this round and the next. They did disclose that this group was next at the last TH. I guess those who make the TH tomorrow will be told something more. The pkg is probably a wk or two of pay for every year of svc, which is sort of the standard. Its confidential so who really knows. We have to just wait and see. Take care!
When is the next IT round planned? Is IT moving to San Antonio or San Diego? Is BD offering alternate arrangements? What packages offered for this round?
For those who are safe for this round is not safe for the next round. Yes, it is not humane, but BD don't care.
For those who know they are safe, the morale is fine. The rest of IT'morale is low. It's inhumane to drag people along for months with layoffs looming.
I could careless about the layoffs but why is my internet connection so slow. The network sucks.
Wow so much information is already out...wondering how is the moral overall...
I agree with the last poster. You will want to be laid off by BD and not anybody else. You will know what we are talking about this week...
I was told almost almost all IT from NJ facility will be laid off at the end. It is just a matter of when it might happen to each individual. So take the package if you have a chance and don't accept any alternative arrangements. Gook luck.
I heard it will happen on Wed. 9/16. Good luck everyone.