What I find ironic is that being in my sixtes and suddenly on a PIP though my performance is at worst better than 80% of my peers that Dell is indeed trying to weed out the older higher paid workers.
If this wasn't sad it would be funny. Dell is no longer even trying to pretend to hide what they are doing. I doubt that somebody who's been with the company for decades suddenly developed habits requiring of being put on PIP.
I really wish people would join forces and sue Dell.
In bdc storage we have two senior citizens in the other half of 50. These two directors have hardly any technical and managerial skills. They spend time inside their closed cabins watching movies in YouTube and playing video games. They have screwed up many projects but they still survive. This is nothing but politics.
Age discrimination is simply a factor of life in IT. Other company’s do it too. All of them. After 55, unless you have a specific, sought after skill, you cease to exist in the IT marketplace. Good luck to all.
Not true that it is all of them. Only the slackers which are doomed like DELL, HP, IBM are doing it.
EMC did exactly this for the past year before the purchase and Dell is just carrying on a tradition. Over 55 you are marked, plain and simple. I received either a raise or a stock grant for years. I was the top manager in my region as voted by my team and I mentored other peer managers. Over half my team quit after I was let go and all have done quite well. If you’re over 55, raises and stock grants only get you out the door. Results don’t matter, managing a stellar team doesn’t matter, only politics matters. It’s not what you know, it’s who you know. Don’t ever forget it. Age discrimination is simply a factor of life in IT. Other company’s do it too. All of them. After 55, unless you have a specific, sought after skill, you cease to exist in the IT marketplace. Good luck to all.
Dell wines you than hand you the bill.
if it is true, that would be disgusting. What is performance? Dell could be transparent and put 3 point system. Is a minority? Is female? Is not old? Congratulations you are promoted to Director!
Dell is the most unethical company I have ever worked at. Its not about performance I see AE's who under perform half after half but who are never put on a PIP or even considered to be let go while others are busting their guts have a bad half, get moved from territory to territory with no notice and then are put on a PIP because they aren't "performing" Dell has also started a policy of adding immense increases to sales quotas half way through the last quarter of a half. I ve had this happen to me and others on the team the past four half. IT insures you won't got into higher pay brackets and for some that they will never make their goal. Never saw this at Cisco , EMC , CA or Oracle in over 20 years of sales. The underperforms I see getting away year after year are usually the a-- kissers or have status ( minority, female, married to an RSD) that protects them. Dell is running scared of letting anyone go but old white men at this time, its safe and they and other companies never get called on it. If I go in truth it will be a pain but I ll be happy. I plan on resigning before they let me go so they can't tag my file.
From the petition filed by wise
The jury heard Wise testify that he “felt really bad” when Dell fired him after eleven years of service and that it had an immediate emotional toll on him and his family because, among other things, it happened the same week as his daughter's wedding. Wise said that he was in shock and could not believe that Dell would not let him get his personal items from his desk. Wise had not planned to retire and wanted to work until his son finished college. He applied for jobs, but worried Dell's “poor performer” label hurt him. He had no job offers, except for a joint venture opportunity with no pay, and this circumstance added to his stress, anxiety, and depression. As a result, Wise said that he worried daily about how he could fulfill “his purpose in life”: to provide for his family.
Where is the f---ng ethics in this organization, If they treat their employees as street dogs without dignity, customers please refrain from buying dell products, this company has to be break in to pieces.
Just going to leave this here..
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/tx-court-of-appeals/1656867.html
The engineers old-timers should not be hanging in Dell - it is plain stupid to do so.. Dell is not the right company for this..
Yes, a PIP is commonly used as the paper trail to ultimately fire someone for "cause". At former employer (three big blue letters..) it was common knowledge no one came back from a PIP. Once you got put on a PIP, your days were numbered. These are not new, just being used more often now as a way to shrink headcounts and/or replace older workers with younger ones and avoiding severance.
In response to @U69dswX-rza, severance packages are not a company "liability". Almost all companies' US employee agreements state they are "at will" meaning either party can terminate it at any time. A severance package is a tool used to prevent lawsuits and make the company look good for trying to be compassionate when they let people go without "cause". The paperwork you are usually required to sign to get your severance will undoubtedly contain language indicating you are giving up your right to sue in exchange.
PIP means Performance Improvement Program. Apparently, this is the new HR darling and way of doing business. Until a few years back I had never heard of this, but it sounds like an extension of the HR Mark File documentation, laying a paper trail. My guess is if you have been placed on a PIP, it doesn't mater what you do, your on your way out. It would be interesting if there is ever a lawsuit to force a company to show that their PIP was being used constructively, that not everyone place don it was eventually forced out.
What is PIP? How is it using for retaliation? Pls explain. Does it mean company is not liable for separation package?