Thread regarding Saudi Aramco layoffs

He's fixated again. First it was on visas. Now it's on managers.

He's definitely saudi.

Surfing the currents of the swirling aramco bowl high above the work is a saudi job. They are the most qualified.

Nobody mentioned being a manager. Only saw pretty accurste comments about dealing with them.

Just look at the Management Roster to see expat names. There are also Managers, Division Heads, Supervisors. If you can’t make the cut become Management elsewhere if you have the skills and ability. You need to walk the talk.

Not sure why anyone would criticize management. Just look at any Fortune 500 company. They are all run by petroleum engineers with bachelors degrees from KFUPM with the same three or four last names. It is a tried and true business model. If you are an expat and want to give valued input, work for BCG.

This person is most likely not even Saudi. Probably an employee of McKinsey or BCG trying to spin positive news for the IPO. That is odd though because investors generally think layoffs are good news. For the guy complaining about sitting in the same seat, no expat should ever come to Aramco with any thought of promotion.

Haha. Saudi Aramco has never had a problem meeting, or exceeding US remuneration practices. American expats are still being hired along with other nationalities. The treatment you receive is also a function of how you treat others. If you are respectful of local culture and norms, then like many expats who stay decades you will gain a lot. However, if you are the resentful, underperforming, narcissist type who feels the world owes him, then you may not be a good fit...If, on the other hand, you don't like it, just leave and find a job more to your liking elsewhere, the same as what you would do anywhere else. Its all quite simple. Move on.

I think the saudi backed into the truth. The US and western payrolls did get deeply whacked and it is primarily because Aramco is having trouble matching US salaries and benefits.

Warning to potential US candidates from someone who did not get laid off and has not ever gotten a bad rating: from the day you arrive and every day you walk in to the office at Aramco you will be surrounded by ever-changing resentful and hostile colleagues, managers, and supervisors while you continue to occupy the exact same seat they assigned you when you onboarded. The insane part of working at aramco is they bring you in then actively pursue the reward that they achieve by getting you out.

It's a sick, twisted, and unhealthy workplace and community where avoiding the cameras now set up at every corner to watch your every move around your home and the speed traps / cameras all over your community streets and wording sentences to avoid offending a local are as critical to your career as the quality of your work. Staying on your feet in that minefield of human waves actively working to trip you up is exhausting and mind-numbing. It is NOT worth it. Fair warning issued.

How many locals were surplussed? Find that truth. Even those who have done zero work in years. Some guys run personal businesses out of their offices. All this is accepted as normal. This doesn’t happen in most publicly traded companies. So please understand if a few laid off expats get a little emotional about it. Especially when locals deny it.

Just look at the HR online newsletter to see the amount of expats and Saudis hired. Look for the truth and you will find it.

Well. There was a kernel of truth in the last few posts on both sides. But one side is looking for major deniability. I will say I do not believe there were lists made by nationality. But, as was already admitted, names were provided information by nationality and payroll, it ain’t rocket science. So keep your plausible deniability. Good luck recruiting an expat ever again. But, of course, you no longer have need for them. Enjoy. You can even now hire all genders. Personally I think that is a positive thing. Good luck with that.

It’s the fact I am honest that bothers you. Multiple nationalities are employed as expats by Saudi Aramco.

Sounds accurate to me. Just saying.

What exactly do you hope to accomplish here saudi guy? You are not coming across as honest so why are you here? To embarress your company?

There is no layoff by nationality list. Every single employee file has nationality and payroll data.

If saudi arabia prefers investing in the US over investing in saudi aramco it goes without saying that saudi aramco must be a bad investment. Thanks for the market tip.

So layoff by nationality is new aramco or old aramco. That list and those targets were created 2015.

The old Aramco generated the different expat nationality payrolls, so it was a legacy, it’s the new Saudi Aramco that is blending the expat nationalities into a common one. Even IOCs have local and expat payrolls.

The "old Aramco" ceased to exist after the "purge" when Jumah was pushed out. All the SVPs trained under the "old Aramco" were retired. Now it is truly a Saudi company. Sad part is AN is a smart guy but not allowed to make decisions.

The saudi said "old aramco" generated the "layoff by nationality" list that he also said doesn't exist. His nose has grown so long he's tripping over it.

In 1980 the Saudi Government owned 100% of Aramco and in 1988 it’s name was changed to Saudi Aramco. THAT is the difference between the old and new company. What happened in 2012 that made such a difference according to you?

Excel lists are confusing. Must have been done in the old days.

Counting years is confusing

This is becoming simply unbelievable. If you follow layoffs in the USA, H1B holders are retained while US citizens are dumped. What is the Saudi guy's argument here? And the "old" aramco came into existence in 2012. I guess that is old.

Since the (carelessly handled) ELP list spreadsheet was by nationality we were wondering the same thing saud-tard. Try to keep up. No company in the world beside yours would do such a thing.

Since when is an expat layoff program targeting specific nationalities? It’s no different to a US firm laying off H1B workers rather than US citizens or green card holders. The only difference being H1B holders get same package as locals whilst expats in Saudi get different rates based on passport. A system introduced by the old Aramco...

I wonder what the saudi guy thinks he can accomplish by lying about an "Expatriate Layoff Program" organized and sorted by nationality and home country.

The fact that it was officially named the ELP is astonishing. Funny part is that the highly paid consulting firm recommended a 25% minimum SLP. That will never happen. Every expat is on a spreadsheet ranked by cost. Certain nationalities get paid more than others. Is that right? No. Does Aramco care? No. I don’t know if they still do it but 20 years ago HR had a list of what they would pay by nationality. I know this because we were trying to bring in vendor field service techs on a day rate. Vendor wanted $1,500 published rate. Guy was Philippino and Aramco would only pay $300 because it was the guideline.

The ELP is not a very well protected secret and it might be best to close this discussion now. Just saying.

No such thing as layoff by nationality, although some nationalities may have been more affected than others due to the lack of value. The company still has expats of a lot of nationalities including Americans.

The animosity started when the saudis kicked off their layoff by nationality program then got on this site talking smack about it.

You are right about one thing sport - don't dish it if your national IQ is 83, you cannot do simple things for yourselves, and everything you touch deteriorates into a shthole. Whatever fond memories anyone might hold from the past were definitely from the days when we were left alone to live our lives and do our work.

Looks like that saudi dude brought a pet. Start cooking the rice.

Looks like gloating and taunting to me. Your excuses for it are noted, neatly rolled, and carefully placed near a porcelain bowl. Thanks

I’m an American and I take offense to what you’ve just said.

Whack a retard? Honestly, you’d be bette off whacking yourself.

Seriously, you display the maturity of someone in high school.

Grow up.

The yapping saudis on this site don't bother us. "Whack-a-retard" is a fun game.

It’s supposed to be a layoff site about Saudi Aramco, instead it turned into a rumourmongering website intended to instill uncertainty into expats. None of the so called rumors turned out to be true. The intent of the US jibes was to highlight there are just as many deficiencies about US workplaces and society. There was no need for the racial animosity towards Saudis. If you can’t take it, don’t dish it.

He/she has a good point...you do rely off of consultants like McKinsey far more than necessary.

I used to work in one of the Ministries before Aramco, and was on a project where we were forced into having them along. After three years, and many millions of dollars put into them they delivered nothing of any tangible value.

They look good on paper, but are leaches in reality.

Honestly, in this forum I see a lot of American vs. Saudi ism’s. For what? No matter what can be said, the only thing that remains an absolute truth is the commonality our two great nations share in building this company into what it is today.

Aramcons in past decades from both sides look on this as one of their best memories. Sadly, now that those people are gone they’re being replaced with Americans and Saudis who’s only interest is their pocketbooks, so it’s a me first demographic now.

Perhaps it would be better if many of you started taking some pride in the company you work for. Undoubtedly, there’s probably thousands of applicants that would LOVE the opportunity that you currently have whether Saudi or American.

Something to think about.

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Our vision department is Saudized. We ordered one from Mckinsey.

You clearly have no vision. Are you American by any chance?

Breaking news: millions of saudi jobs being created for saudis to surf the internet all day using google!

Question: Why the hell would a tech company build anything in a place that is so backward it blocks half the internet sites?

Keep planning meetings and talks!

We've already seen what saudis can unleash and what happens when they expand.

Cheaper to just smoke them then use the bond write-off to pay for it. Global win/win for human AND women's rights.