Finally they are pulling the plug on the LTIs for all the "non" technical staff. We engineers/geologists are doing all the work and floating the boat while the others just sit all day and keep milking the cow! DNR is not a charity, although some of you might think so!
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Or they still have friends that work at Denbury and are worried/curious for them
yea, not the first even on this discussion commenting that they have left... wonder why someone would take the time to follow this stuff much less comment on issues that have happened since left, but guess it takes some longer to let go.
There are rules and etiquette on who "can" and who "cannot" post on this site...wow! Maybe if you bully enough posters they'll stop and Denbury will be all better!
Seriously you left the company and still post on this site to trash your former employer? Wow.
Compensation isn't the biggest factor.
Glad I left.
They can keep my little LTI and the personal bonus that I earned. Y'all will need it before I do
Most people are Tired of working for a company that's run like a playground kickball game .
if that figure is accurate, then they certainly aren't hoping for it to function as a retention incentive.
that would indicate
a) they hope to inspire voluntary departures (no severance that way) or
b) they don't believe nonessential (non-replacable) personnel will find better elsewhere. and possibly they are compensating essential personnel enough to stay.
2.5% Wow!! Yeah I figured it would be better than that.
The transition payment is 2.5% of your base pay. Don’t spend it all at once.
"So the transition payment will be more or less a 2 yr LTI?"
Exactly. except it will not include an equity option, cash only. the real question is whether the amount will be comparable.
"How will the annual bonus change? The percentage should go up to cover some of this that is going away.... correct?"
that's an unknown. there will be no individual component, so it's all company the way it was prior to the last 3 years. as for the percentage, depends on the numbers Chris put up as targets in the town hall, and whether the change in incentive levels from 42 to 10 affects your actual multiplier. you'll have to run your individual numbers once you have them to know.
obviously some characters i was using were interpreted as html and blanking out my comment. last time:
"2019 will be the first year without an LTI or transition payment (assuming nothing changes). since we are not being granted any stock at this below 2.00 price, we won't be able to benefit from any stock increases to make up the difference.
2017 will likely see a small bump in year end pay based on the salary increase effective 7/2018.
2019 will depend on the transition payment amount and the annual bonus amnt (unless the 42 to 10 tier conversion makes a difference in your bonus multiplier).
2020 is another matter altogether...
Ok. I didn't figure the total LTI value would pay out in July. And didn't understand the transition payment. So the transition payment will be more or less a 2 yr LTI? How will the annual bonus change? The percentage should go up to cover some of this that is going away.... correct?
this got mangled in my comment below. this is what i meant to say:
"2019 will be the first year without an LTI or transition payment (assuming nothing changes). since we are not being granted any stock at this 10 tier conversion makes a difference in your bonus multiplier).
2020 is another matter altogether...
i don't think there is any chance of them paying all unvested LTI in July. if people (continue to) leave before vesting, Denbury will not have to pay those funds. it would make no financial sense.
they will pay it on the existing schedule, which means remaining LTI granted 7/17 vesting 7/18, 7/19, and 7/20.
whatever the transition payment is will be granted 7/18 and vest 7/19 and 7/20. when you find out that amount, compare it to your 7/17 LTI grant total (cash + equity value at grant). whether it vests over 2 or 3 years doesn't change the initial amount.
2019 will be the first year without an LTI or transition payment (assuming nothing changes). since we are not being granted any stock at this 10 tier conversion makes a difference in your bonus multiplier).
2020 is another matter altogether. if nothing moves in to fill the gap, it will almost certainly be a pay cut, not to mention no stock appreciation from this current price.
look to 2020 to determine whether your prospects are better elsewhere. that is what leadership needs to address, particularly with rewrote equity going away for the rank and file.
From my understanding no one has a clue what is going on. So they are going to pay whatever is left on LTI's out in July? Or will they still pay out on the vesting schedule? Also, if you have 3 LTI's vesting each year, that's a considerable amount of compensation. I don't see how they will cover that by hourly compensation unless they are doing a considerable increase in hourly pay. Which I don't see happening. And I don't see the annual bonus being increased that much either.
Seems that it's a pay cut, with out acknowledging it. Guess they don't want to announce that and have stock drop more than it already is, kinda like last layoff.
If they payout all vested LTI funds at once and then make the salary adjustments, it shouldn't be very difficult to assess where you stand on compensation. It's very hard when we don't have a solid number and are left guessing for a few more years! I'd have more respect fir them if they did it that way. Just rip off the band aid, please!
Managers have had meetings and know the numbers. The increase and little bonus are the same for everyone loosing LTI, so you can easily figure out your new total compensation.
It’s not good.
Oil and gas stock has taken a big hit so far this year. Denbury, like most, has seen a downward slide. At least not in penny stock like last year but still long way to go. Sigh.
until we know the numbers, speculation on the overall change in compensation is futile. there are too many variables involved.
not having to account for stock price fluctuations will actually make the calculations easier.
annual bonus can be considered roughly equal unless you have an effective change in tier level.
for those getting a transition payment, you can compare it to your LTI from before and see the difference in your overall 2018 compensation. run the numbers once you have them and determine whether your compensation is acceptable from there. that information is useful whether you plan to look for work elsewhere or not.
Not all supervisors know the details yet. And certainly not for each employee.
I thought the stock was going in the right direction? No responses please from the HR patrol.
If only you all put as much time into working as you do complaining. You'd think you were indentured servants. Not happy? Look for another job. Have a question about LTI changes? Ask your supervisor. This is not the place to get accurate information. Based on past posts, just inflamed, biased points of view.
All people that won't get LTIs anymore, will get a $4.19 check. This will cover the cost for a pot of Vaseline, so next time we are getting screwed again it won't hurt so bad.
Yes, heard that. LTI will only be stock grants. And only upper levels of technical staff will get that. Don’t know the exact cutoff but we should soon.
I’ve heard from a couple in different depts, 5%. I’m truly confused...how does that replace 20-40% of LTI comp...even if a little bump results in A bonus calculation being based on a little more, it surely doesn’t come close to replacing what we had...secondly, it will be paid in 2019 and 2020... it LTI vested over 3 years...so will that simply be a loss?
My boss told me today that I can work less hours to compensate for the cut in LTIs.
I’ve heard from a good source not all tech staff will keep an LTI so too bad for this original poster. Also, the salary increases are small. Anyone else heard that?
Those no longer getting LTI will get transition payment and future adjusted bonuses.
They are telling us.
Enough with the egotisical statements. We all work together but not all compensated the same. That’s the way life is. Doesn’t make anyone better or worse.
Will they just let us know what is going on? Enough with the suspense.
“We engineers/geologists are doing all the work and floating the boat while the others just sit all day and keep milking the cow!“
Haha—so, so, so ignorant of how a company works...how a society or family works. I feel sorry for your family!!
You seriously think no one else here plays a part?! Everyone else is just sitting at a desk taking charity from you?!?!?!? Would love to see you run any business, much less a public company, on your own.
Egotistical maniac.
Not sure what meeting you were in but if you’re no longer receiving LTI it states adjustment bonus would come in 2019 and 2020, not now.
LTI not out but amount of people getting has changed. Those directly effected by no longer getting will receive compensation now and in future to offset. Structure needed to change in my opinion. Glad to see. All more focused on cash rather than stock. High up still stock focus to maintain their focus on value. All more in line w other corporations.
Any news? LTI’s officially out?
anyone have a summary of the a.m mtg for those of us not scheduled until afternoon?
That only happened because G Roberts was runoff. He didn't want to do it...Read the S4 description of the events that lead up to the merger...VERY shortly after his departure, the talks resumed...and that was just the beginning.
We employees need to support each other. We all have value to add in our own ways.
I left before the 3rd layoffs. Best decision ever! Found better pay, and I didn't have to suffer from depression at walking past all of the empty offices. It was such a great place to be in the 6 years I worked there, but its time for people to go if they aren't happy. It's a sinking ship and there are so many great up and coming companies out there right now so if you want to find work...you better do it now before another layoff happens and you're left fighting among everyone else for a job.
Denbury's mistake was Encore.
The problems at Denbury are a result of a lack of leadership and vision from Summer 2009 to Summer 2017. This has been in the making since Gareth was runoff by a previous CEO. He had vision and an uncanny ability to bring all stakeholders together. High oil prices hid the sins of his replacement. Now the unfortunate effect is where we sit today. Instead of real returns and investment, his replacement tried to financially engineer success. It's sad.
WOW. When the going gets tough, turn on each other.
You are a legend in your own mind! It is amazing how arrogant an oil and gas engineer can be!!
The whole place reeks! This is finally giving me the push to leave, I loved this company but not anymore!