Thread regarding Saudi Aramco layoffs

Quod erat demonstrandum

Try Weetabix or Shredded Wheat both are on the shelves...

Just one example but I would love to be able to buy a box of cereal that isn't loaded with sugar. The only option is cornflakes.

But wanting what? Grass is always greener on the other side...

Let's look at it differently. Life on camp is better than life in a compound in Khobar. Life is changing on camp because so many western expats are being replaced with asian expats with different lifestyles. The cameras on every corner are not speed cameras. I think we have two fixed speed cameras on camp (could be wrong). One is in a 65 and the other is in an 80. The new cameras are for security only but can be used to check for speeding in case of an accident. The 939 service still works okay but the performance has seriously deteriorated. It was outsourced years ago and the current contractor squeezes cost just like they all do. Back in the day it was unheard of to have to wait 5 days for an AC compressor replacement in the summertime. Expats and Saudis view the camp differently. For Saudis, it is an oasis. There are trees and grass. Women can drive. How could anyone not love that? Westerners view it as a poor resemblance of the life they left behind. Close but somehow always wanting. The Saudis don't see that anything is missing. In my view, the camp has slowly devolved and I won't miss it. I will never look back on my life on camp and think I wish I could have any part of it back. I have no problem with security. I am glad they are there. I'm glad the fence is there. I do wish they would allow fewer "visitors" on camp.

Saudized: (def) Every time the phone gets picked up to make that call (or any call) the internet has to be rebooted

There is nothing wrong with the camp. Everything gets done for you with a phone call. Safe, secure, self-contained. What more do you want?

It’s not even remotely close to becoming saudized. Who cares, about the demographics anyways? Live your life, and let others live theirs, stop worrying about “what-ifs” that you have zero influence over.

Which makes it so much better...

It was. Now it's saudized.

Life on camp is great.

Okay. You two get a properly titled thread about visas and I will never read it. Fair? But you are posting on a thread about life on camp and that is an interesting topic. Unfortunately you two have turned it into a couple of grade school kids arguing during recess. So go get your own thread and be all the idiot you can be.

Hopefully your new google partners can whomp up a short e-learning course on "How to Close My Browser When I Don't Care"

This will end your suffering.

Just let it go. Nobody cares. Except you two. Neither one of you is doing yourself any favors.

Give him a certifcate. It only took 16 days to puzzle out the relationship between obscure american visa rules and deteriorating living conditions for non-saudi employees. Because the low quality you get from saudization is americas fault.

Can you two just get a room? Nobody else on the planet cares about your visa discussion. What does that have to do with the topic of life on camp?

Changing visa status from B-2 to F-1 in the US is one example...

Remembering what I said a few posts ago is very confusing. That's just a tangent.

The tangent was using "intent" and non-immigrants to make a badly failed attempt to claim that US immigrants are treated differently from anyone else in the US. The fact is that US illegals have more rights and privilages and protections than your legally sponsored workers.

US voters do want to change that but to this day that is a fact. Even your own Saudi murderers in the US get trials, hearings, bailed out, and get to escape their accountability for their crimes, as did the saudi student in Oregon who killed a 15 year old girl (stunner here) driving recklessly on a suspended license, bailed out by the saudi consulate, and escaped before he was tried and sentenced. You probably think that's funny but it is more important to us to stand by our principles than deny even a non-immigrant saudi his due process of law.

So far you have demonstrated nothing but how ignorant you are about US immigration rules, laws, and processes and this especially amusing since you are discussing this with people who know and have filled out every form for every step in the immigration process.

You have no idea how it is done. You are equivalent to your 10,000 engineering colleagues at saudi aramco whose best skill is defining what they need non-saudis to design for them while they run up the bill interfering with the work making their asinine "suggestions". You are putting yourself, your culture, and your company in a bad light and you need to move on.

Yes you said apply for a different visa in the united states.

Now we need to know what visa that would be. Third request. Try to focus and try not to forget that you said that. You're an expert right?

Some of you need to learn how to read English. I stated "intent". Then you go off on a tangent complaining about something I never stated, but complain about some bogus interpretation. No wonder you don't know much about US immigration.

Hey Saudi:

You said "apply for a different visa in the United States".

You seem like such an expert. Tell us what visa is applied for and issued in the US?

I was kidding about the B visa marriages LOL

It's a minor source of resentment to every USC who follows the rules and does things correctly.

Listen carefully retard:

An "intended immigrant", defined as legally present in the US under a non-immigrant visa, is not an immigrant and not included in the pool of 42 million immigrants that enjoy the same rights and protections to live, do, and where where, when, and how they want. When and if the immigration benefits they apply for while they are in the US on their non-immigrant visa are granted, they are also accorded that privilage.

So: Again: the original statement that immigrants enjoy these rughts and privileges stands. "Intending immigrants" living in the US on non-immigrant visas are still non-immigrants until their applications to permenantly immigrate are approved.

Do you get that? To put it simply: Intending to immigrate does not make you an immigrant no matter how hard you want to believe it does.

With regard the comment that someone who flies into the US with the intent to get married on a B2 visa is allowed to marry, yes they can marry, but he/she may not be able stay because if it was the intent to get married then it is visa fraud and he/she would be deported. There are legitimate cases where getting married was not planned and there was no intent so adjustment of status is possible, . However that does not make the B1-B2 visa categories as dual intent.

It was brought up concerning the so called different opportunities for foreigners versus citizens in the company, the point was to highlight that the US has similar issues. Dual intent visa subject was to correct the impression that all immigrants are treated the same as US citizens in the US and that is just not true. You still don't seem to understand that a fiancé visa is a non-immigrant visa that allows a fiancé to enter the US and a different application has to be made for an immigrant visa once married. It also has a time limitation. This is an example dual intent and quite easily verified by even a cursory review of the USCIS information https://www.uscis.gov/family/family-us-citizens/k3-k4-visa/k-3k-4-nonimmigrant-visas

Savage, but true.

To the Saudi...the topic you've brought up isn't that important to begin with, so why are you unable to let it go for?

Also, you're simply wrong in your assessments pertaining to our visa/immigration system. Nothing wrong with being wrong either, to bad you're unable to accept/admit it and just move on though.

No, you are discussing non-immigrant visas in a thread about immigrants and exampling K visas in a thread where you specifically excluded family immigration from whatever point you were trying to make.

I know that in Saudi "planning" something completes the task but in the US "intent to immigrate" does not make you an immigrant.

But thank you for contrasting our treatment of even guest workers allowing them to live and work in the US while they pursue immigration benefits with your bearded thieves waiting to rob workers of their wages as soon as their thieving employer cuts off their salary and reports them as "escapees",

From what I'm seeing over there it'll only be a matter of time before they come for your account and you want to escape.

For that matter a B visaholder who flies in and gets married STILL gets to adjust status and pursue immigration benefits. On a tourist visa. Now tourist visas are "dual intent" too retard? That's just a term, not a visa category. Move along.

Hmmm, no. I am discussing dual intent visas, of which K type just one. Just scroll back through the thread.

Be careful here. Move aside.

The saudi is a highly skilled specialist on immigration because he googled it.

He's also an airport specialist because he visited one.

Clearly your "online training" or "e-learning" must have missed that K visas require immigrant petitions to be filed by USC's in the United States and approved by USCIS before the case number is generated by the NVC and sent to the embassy.

Suggesting that somehow spouses / derivatives (K3/K4) or future spouses / derivatives (K1/K2) are treated badly or have hard lives is laughable.

ALL K visa applicants are USC petitioned family or intended family immigrants.

Which is why they really don't belong on your list. You are the one discussing family immigration and trying to make some kind of stupid point about it.

Clearly you are not a master anything when you don’t understand dual intent especially for K visas...

Dos Equis points for that one LOL

.......or discovered a lone woman?

Heinekin is recycled waste collected from the consumption of good beer. A half empty bottle of it is not exactly breaking news.

You are an idiot. Nobody throws away a half empty bottle of Heineken. You wait till it’s empty.

So now the room is clean. We'll delouse it and spray some lysol and no this dude is not getting a visa to come back in to taunt laid off employees or act stupid like a saudi who discovered a half empty bottle of heineken in the trashcan or a highway with no cameras.

PS K visas are issued through the IV section and are considered to be immigrant visas as well.

I am the K visa jedi master and i was present at the table when you joined the UN. Check your history book!

I am discussing immigrants and your needle skipped (on what appears to be a badly scratched record turning between your ears) to something else.

Providing us a list of non-immigrant visas does not change the facts. It just makes you look confused. Again. You seem to be easily confused. I wonder why.

You are discussing family visas...go look at dual intent H1B, K, V, L, O and E visa categories ...