Thread regarding Hewlett Packard Enterprise (HPE) layoffs

NY Times Article, "Shown the Door, Older Workers Find Bias Hard to Prove"

See https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/07/business/dealbook/shown-the-door-older-workers-find-bias-hard-to-prove.html ... Note at the very end of the article, a LOT of POTENTIAL suits never do go to court... They are settled out of court "voluntarily" (meaning often by arbitration). In 2016, they EEOC collected $350 million for wrongly filed older employees, w/o the cases going to court.

Use link as above, or use search-string "Shown the Door, Older Workers Find Bias Hard to Prove". You often do NOT need to pay a ton of money to lawyers!

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Post ID: @OP+OFogHdS

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"Age has nothing to do with keeping up. Anyone who is professional and conscientious keeps up in their field. There are plenty of young people who haven't cracked a book or attended any training since they graduated from college. And there are plenty of older people with advanced degrees who make life-long learning a habit. That is where tech gets it wrong."

Yes, I do agree. But... A word to the wise!

I knew an older gentleman (circa 60 years old when hired) at Compaq (bought out by HP later). He hid (omitted) his Master's degree on his resume, mentioning only his bachelor's. Probably a good move, at that age... You have too many degrees? Might be best to hide them, if you are older... Else they will assume that you want too much pay, or will not be happy to stay, with the lower pay.

If you do NOT have (or claim) the advanced degree(s), you are a lazy old geezer, not keeping up with the times! So... Flip a coin, and, good luck with that! (Better yet, don't be old!!!!)

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Post ID: @5mmi+OFogHdS

@OFogHdS-2wcr - Wow, so far out of touch, obviously you have no experience in the real world. Experience and skill DOES matter to some companies, but not at HPE (or the legal fiction that is DXC) - the only number that matters to these dimwits is the salary and benefits paid. There is certainly a bias... because the idea that a worker should have some sort of "career" is clearly ridiculous in the eyes of the C-Suite of this company; Age gets caught up because experienced, tenured workers are older workers, but I'd say that any bias against workers with long service IS ageism. It amounts to saying these workers are costing us more because we've had to give them raises over the years, and their health care is costing more... so let's get rid of them in favor of cheaper labor. With HPE, it ALWAYS comes back to "cheaper labor" - whether it is "best shore practices", leveraging H-1B Visas, contractors (with their illusory "higher" cost, but they are disposable and incur no benefits costs) or a drive to hire fresh graduates.

As I said, experience and skills do matter to some companies - just not the ones we talk about on these boards.

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Post ID: @4yns+OFogHdS

Age has nothing to do with keeping up. Anyone who is professional and conscientious keeps up in their field. There are plenty of young people who haven't cracked a book or attended any training since they graduated from college. And there are plenty of older people with advanced degrees who make life-long learning a habit. That is where tech gets it wrong.

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Post ID: @4bum+OFogHdS

Man oh man! folks talk about this sort of stuff as if it's something new. Surprise! it's not. My dad and my father in law went through the exact same things with their companies years ago. Let your work speak for itself. If you get caught up in a WFR, then baton down the hatches and gear up for a new journey. You youngins are just so full of piss and vinegar. Funny to watch. Without the depth of experience, you text book jockeys would drive the ship right on into the rocks. lol

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Post ID: @2wcr+OFogHdS

Older workers are shown the door in IT cause they aren't keeping up with technology. How can I explain to a guy who doesn't understand automation about why we are coding docker containers?

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Post ID: @2pnh+OFogHdS

It's like that in all companies especially IT. I heard from someone who worked at Cisco that unless candidates are aged 27 to 35 then they are not to be hired.

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