with deception and dishonesty to push loans...what a concept!
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Incorrect. Tell that to the slobs on Wall Street who raped the economy in 2008 and those truly aggrieved students who signed the "arbitration"agreement only to haplessly find out when push came to shove that they had signed away their day in court.
It's all a moot point now and will remain a caurionary tale as the snake called EDMC
sheds its skin.
Live and learn, I suppose.
No, what I'm suggesting is that consumers are protected by law and in instances where predatory tactics are employed to maximize profit that those involved be prosequted.
If you change your wording from..."they may slant towards 'the thing' they make a living on" to the thing they "feed off of" you might be closer to the clarity you seek.
Just so we're all clear what you're suggesting is that the tried and true method of non-profits, businesses, and anything else that is looking to have someone go somewhere and spend money should be done away with and simply people have to fend for themselves when making big decisions? No asking anyone for help because they may slant towards the "thing" they make a living on. The wprod doesn't work like that.
4wqo, do not for profits use partnership selling to enroll students? No. A standard for profit interview lasts 1-1/2 hours. The objective is to match the needs, goals and values of the candidate with features and benefits of the college with the objective of enrolling the candidate. If you're talking rationality, which you're assuming (erroneously) we all are, given what we know about for profits the objective of the interview would be to say, don't enroll and here's all the statistical reasons why this should be avoided. There is a power differential between the Assistant Directors of Admissions and the candidate. Candidates are presented with material that is positive, negative and neutral during an admissions interview. The assessment of this information by the authority, in this case the Assistant Director of Admissions, has a profound effect on how the candidate assimilates the information and makes decisions. It is reasonable to assume that the Assistant Director of Admissions is motivated to enroll that student to avoid explicit or implicit punishment either in the form of disciplinary action by the employer or by loss of income if their employer goes out of business. I don't believe for a moment people aren't continuing to be preyed upon. Leopards don't change their spots. For profits need to be shut down for good.
Partnership selling is unethical? Better shut down all schools, businesses, churches, anything that is trying to get you to do something. At what point does the decision of the student, consumer, whoever, actually matter? The way the for profits are being talked about it is made seem like they have control of a person like they're a zombie with no free will. People are told up front about cost, graduation rate, default rate, and median debt. They are told multiple times. Yet many choose to move forward. Is that not their choice? Are they hypnotized by some device over the phone? Why do grown adults that make their own decisions go to school, buy a product, or believe in a deity? They have control of their own lives and their own decisions. Partner selling gives them everything they need to make a decision. It doesn't force them into anything.
Two words, partnership selling. It's unethical and it's still going on. Education is in need of reform across the board. Let's start with shutting down all for profits. It would save the US taxpayer millions if not billions of dollars.
"You do know that students have to take placement exams... And take remedial courses if they fail, right?
Or are you just so eager to slam EDMC schools that you can't do basic research?"
Not at an EDMC school in 2017. "Math" is done via a computer program and all the tutor centers are a fraction of what they attempted to be a decade ago. Online classes are 5 1/2 weeks long. How can you learn any topic that quickly? Especially, if it is a "remedial" course. Really, EDMC schools are now the bottom of the bunch. Years and years ago they had potential (never realized) but now they are degree factories. NO quality is left in the schools from faculty to facility the schools are done.
You do know that students have to take placement exams... And take remedial courses if they fail, right?
Or are you just so eager to slam EDMC schools that you can't do basic research?
It is very difficult to make a valid point with any credibility if you cannot articulate your position . I don't care who you are or what you do.. human beings are social creatures and if you cannot communicate effectively you are missing out . To that point, you may be a closet genius with plenty to offer society . So keep at it ... we'll catch on....👍
I think hat makes his case. You won't even do the minimal research. That's most likely why you're upset. The second you have to do some work you quit.
We all know for-profits don't hold a candle to non-profits in graduation rate but then again grad rates, default rates, and average debt are disclosed multiple times before enrollment. You won't find a single mom-profit that does that.
1odx, really? You're going to condescend? Just a minimal amount of research will debunk most of what you just said. I'm not even going to bother posting it again. It's all over this site. Try reading it and processing it. At that point you may be able to formulate a rational evidence-based thought.
Holy sh--. State, public, private, for profit, if you can't read or write you won't graduate. If you can't read or write you can be accepted at any community college but you're starting at 070 classes. So your only true beef is cost which if you compare state and private institutions is right in their range. Now I don't expect you to actually do any research or to let go of your confirmation bias but at least do some research before talking out of your rear-end.
I bet you mock anyone who isn't a native speaker of English instead of applauding the fact that they know multiple languages while your sad self stays judgmental and salty af. Must s--- to double s--- working for EDMC and being a miserable excuse for a human.
Ha-ha... might s--- but at least you understood the message. 👍👌
Poster 1-qtr. your grammar s---s.
Whoever is defending For Profit colleges and comparing it to State, City or Public schools should take a moment to come to their senses. One because you probably attended a State, city or public college. So don't bad mouth the school that provided you with your education. Two, when someone can't read or write and says to you that you are "accepted", that's considered deceptive practices. At least State, City and public colleges tell their prospective students, "we want to make sure you know what you are getting into so we want to see your writing skills as well know if you know how to add and subtract. Because come graduation or if you drop out, you will owe $xxx amounts of money." The real President (Obama) saw how For Profit schools manipulated the system. Obama never said to For Profits schools to close their doors. All he said was make it affordable and better. AND if you can't do this then please stop trying to convince people you have a valid degree. So my challenge to the schools who accepts a student with a GPA of 1.0 and charges them $100,000 for their education to ensure success for at least 65% of their students. How does this success looks like? Ensure students learn how to write, speak, solve basic math problems and most importantly learn their trade. Only reason a lot of jobs are paying less to these students is because all the basic necessities of having a job at not being met by a graduate.
Hahahahahahahaha. It's funny because nothing would be good enough for you. EDMC discloses more than any private or public college on the planet.