Thread regarding Honeywell International Inc. layoffs

Yet another reason not be a manager. I'm sure things vary around the USA and the different SBUs, but many have been understaffed for ages and employees had to fight to take earned vacations before the end of the year. Now I won't even have that leverage. Reality is that we will all be at the mercy of the manager and his reporting chain as to what happens.

I don't think age should matter at all and I don't think it does. It's "unlimited" and depends on business needs. So as long as you meet the requirements, why should it be discriminated by age? That would be pure discrimination.

Don't be surprise if kids straight out of college start taking 6 weeks. I sure as hell would.

HR has said this is a benefit Read the policies in HR Direct yourself

Since hourly employees get...

30 years 6 weeks

20 years 5 weeks

15 years 4 weeks etc....

A salaried should expect do take at least as much as stated above, but you need to plan and schedule it. Don't expect to take all of November and December off. Also you do need to work at least 40 days per quarter. So a 30 year employee should take at least 6 weeks and perhaps 7 or 8, but don't plan on doing it all in Q4

That figures. GE is the "monkey-see, monkey-do" company of ideas bad for employees and employment. They've spread their disciples of doom everywhere including Honeywell. Very few major players are spared this curse.

GE did the same thing. Estimates from an insider working with GE Benefits said this move to "Permissive time off" saved the company 200-300 million dollars by not having to pay out holiday time during layoffs. GE used to have decent health care benefits, too, until 5 years ago. New employees don't even get pensions.

Retiring in March. I put in for a weeks in February and I was refused, been here over 30 years. I was even told I could not use my seven sick days. I am taking the vacation and sick days anyway. Even if they fire me, I still will get a retirement check for the rest of my life.

I made the comment about the 5 weeks, I should have been clearer. I encourage my staff to book as much vacation as possible that they know about at the start of the year and schedule it throughout. That way I know who is in and when and work can be moved around as necessary.

I understand the point about quotas, and as a manager, that worries me. I want to be fair to everyone.

My baseline is that if you used to be entitled to 4 weeks, you'll get your 4 weeks going forward.

If my staff aren't happy, they aren't productive and if not productive, it's me that looks bad, so being selfish, I need my staff to work hard and vacation hard.

No I'm not in management and am not a troll, just telling it how it is in my situation. I'm allowed six weeks vacation a year and take every single day of it and have always done it in the past. I talk with my manager to get approval ahead of time and have never had a problem.

Ha ha. Hey 1pur, you're so condescending, you must be in management.

Your snarky comment makes no sense. How could they get 5 weeks this year if not planned in advance?

I know when you were in your past job, you were the best thing ever.

Stay off this site as we don't need any more trolls.

"Granted 5 weeks off for the entire year" so this must mean spread across the entire, ENTIRE year. Since it's February, it had to be scheduled in advance.

Again, nice manager. Mine will never allow anyone to schedule the full year of vacation in February.

Did you actually read the previous post?

It stated: "One of my employees requested and was granted 5 weeks off this year" and your reply was "Well aren't you nice manager to allow your employee to schedule 5 weeks in advance".

The original post did not say anything about scheduling five weeks in advance, it was about taking vacation time for the entire year.

Well aren't you s nice manager to allow your employee to schedule 5 weeks in advance.

My manager won't approve that far out due to not knowing work load, schedule demands, if dnyone will be left at the requedted time.

You can say what you want Ms/Mr. Manager, quotas for managers will be next if not already there.

One of my employees requested and was granted 5 weeks off this year. They had 5 weeks last year too.

As they've planned their vacation in advance it makes it easier to plan. If it comes to it and they need a day here and there, as long as they have done their job that week, I'll grant it.

Big companies too. GE has "unlimited" vacation as well. Problem is we are always too busy, and managers will not allow us take vacation. Maybe a day here or there at best. Say goodby to the week or two off!

I'm finding this unlimited vacation phenomenon is really spreading through even small U.S. companies now. I recently talked to a couple of newer small companies who have it. It's the latest trend to screw the workforce. A potential surprise trick during evaluation & raise time.

Other big companies are doing this as well and, as previously said, it is a financial benefit for them because when someone leaves the company ( voluntarily or otherwise) they don't have to pay out any accrued vacation time.

So look at the next few months, see when your kids have school vacations, holidays, when you want to have some long weekends, etc. and put in for that time off telling your manager you are trying to plan ahead and schedule tines that work for you and the company. workers need time off to recharge, refresh, etc. sadly, there may be some cases where managers may play favorites and not treat workers equally, but do what you can to plan ahead and request your time off. As an okdtimer, I HAD 6 weeks vacation and I intend to take off that same amount this year.

I agree and it will happen in time. My mgr is already warning us she will not allow everyone taking vacation over holidays like in the past. So I guess seniority means nothing. First come gets the time off.

I can hear it now.. "if you can take 6 weeks of vacation, we don't need you". We'll see how the youngsters feel after 20+ years with only 1 or 2 weeks vacation per year or your boss telling you "You have too much work to take vacation".. Oh yeah, that is "unlimited"

That's exactly what it means and that was one of the intent. The other I'd say good bye to 6 weeks of vacation got the old timers.

That is exactly the whole point. Making it cheaper when you get RIF'd