Thread regarding Honeywell International Inc. layoffs

MANAGER ADVANCE NOTICE: U.S. PAID TIME-OFF POLICY CHANGES

MANAGER ADVANCE NOTICE: U.S. PAID TIME-OFF POLICY CHANGES*

Dear Aerospace Colleague:

Honeywell is transforming into a leading cyber-industrial company that requires a contemporary workforce and One Honeywell mindset. To consistently drive this culture across the organization, the U.S. paid time off policies have been benchmarked against industry standards and standardized across all SBGs and Corporate. These updated policies eliminate or drastically reduce variance, comply with all U.S. legal requirements, and facilitate the movement of talent across businesses.* Effective January 1, 2017, the following U.S. policies and holiday schedule will be updated for all non-union covered employees:

· Sick Leave: All employees will be entitled to 56 hours of paid sick leave per calendar year. Employees in some locations may receive more than 56 hours based on local laws. Current Paid-Time-Off Policies will also end.

· Vacation: Exempt employees will have the ability and flexibility to schedule vacation with their manager based on business priorities and personal needs, without pre-set maximums. The requirement for exempt employees to continue to record their time has not changed and is vital for remaining in compliance with government regulations. For nonexempt employees, we are standardizing the vacation schedule based on years of service. Vacation changes, with small exceptions, do not apply to Puerto Rico and California.

· Parental Leave: Female employees will continue to receive six to eight weeks for the birth of a child under parental and other leave policies. In addition, the partner or spouse will be eligible for two weeks of parental leave – this is a newly added benefit.

· Holiday Schedule: The U.S. holiday schedule also will be standardized across the SBGs. All U.S. sites will have 12 days off for holidays. There will be seven standard holidays and five days set by the SBG or site.

There have been additional updates to the Bereavement, Jury and Witness Duty, and Military Leave Policies. You can find the new policies on HR Direct. In the upcoming months, you will receive more information and training about the policy changes. Please familiarize yourself with the changes and complete assigned training.

If you have any questions, please reference the Frequently Asked Questions. Go to HR Direct and click “HR Answers & Help” or call 1-800-214-6516 for additional HR Support.

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Post ID: @OP+KBunJp4

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OP @-1mrf aka "Dummy": How profound... Even a 22 yr old fresh out won't like being overworked with no vacation.

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Post ID: @1qmn+KBunJp4

once again Anonymous OP -1mrf (no PC skills) doesn't understand a simplified explanation.

Salaried Exempt: meaning that they are not exempt from the Labor Code requirements, such as overtime pay, meal and rest breaks, and minimum wage.

Salaried Non-Exempt: The calculation is straightforward for non-exempt employees paid only an hourly wage. But some employers pay hourly employees a fixed salary, such as $1k per week or $50k per year. AB 2103 (link) clarifies that such a fixed salary can only be deemed to be compensation for the employee's regular non-overtime hours

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Post ID: @1pge+KBunJp4

What should I be doing with my acrued vacation from 2016 I would otherwise carry over into 2017.....should I be burning these days right away? Opinions?

Sounds like new policy will wipe these days out.

Honeywell does s--- A$$

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Post ID: @1nnh+KBunJp4

So this is what a dying dinosaur looks like. Better dump the Honeywell stock.

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Post ID: @1rcl+KBunJp4

Notice the wording in the announcement. "comply with all U.S. legal requirements,"

Guaranteed Benefits like vacation and sick time are considered job killers by corporate America and both US major political parties (If it were a priority there would be laws in place). The United States is the ONLY industrialized nation in the world which does not provide a legal guarantee of any sort of paid or unpaid time off period. (Territories like Puerto Rico DO have laws providing guaranteed benefits which companies can not arbitrarily terminate). There are some exceptions but for the most part our laws in the US provide NO guarantee whatsoever.

Here is a country by country comparison.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_annual_leave_by_country

Even CA "There is no legal requirement in California that an employer provide its employees with either paid or unpaid vacation time."

http://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/faq_vacation.htm

Puerto Rican law actually requires companies to provide paid time off (for various reasons)

http://www.lawforchange.org/images/lfc/PuertoRicoEmployment.pdf (See Section 13)

Interesting How Puerto Rico is EXEMPT from both layoffs (one that happened in September) and the one coming up...

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Post ID: @1ljh+KBunJp4

Sorry, I'm not 69 but 59 yo and yes you are hearing correctly

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Post ID: @1azi+KBunJp4

I hear banjo music!

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Post ID: @1yjq+KBunJp4

I gave 36 years here and will not see 37 years. I'm 69 YO but will make it work. I can't think they a kid with one year st Hon has the same vacation as I with 36 years.

With all that's occurred in the last three months, it's time to go. Cote and Hon can go to hell and kiss my a$$

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Post ID: @1dfl+KBunJp4

will I be excluded if I change my reporting address to CA and WFH?

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Post ID: @1ztf+KBunJp4

If this doesn't motivate you to work harder and smarter, and to remain loyal and dedicated to the company, then nothing will.

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Post ID: @1cwl+KBunJp4

There is no indication this vacation time is unpaid. That being said, it does say that vacation and holiday pay no longer count towards overtime pay.

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Post ID: @1jky+KBunJp4

Paid Parental Leave?

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Post ID: @1vcp+KBunJp4

Is that Parental Leave?

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Post ID: @1qxa+KBunJp4

Wont be surprise if next vacation will required HR approval like WFH policy.

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Post ID: @1hdv+KBunJp4

Business priorities are to provide employees with unpaid time off (furlough) versus paid time off (vacation).

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Post ID: @1rkb+KBunJp4

CA to implement Unlimited Vacation Days in 2018.

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Post ID: @1jdp+KBunJp4

This is not a perk...

https://20somethingfinance.com/unlimited-vacation-days/

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Post ID: @1ozo+KBunJp4

Honeywell has found the bottom of the abyss... I believe sociopathic managers will love the micro control. You can expect metrics that drive vacation to zero...

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Post ID: @1obt+KBunJp4

Per HR direct policies

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Post ID: @1uay+KBunJp4

Per Honeywell direct policies

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Post ID: @1iio+KBunJp4

Vacation based on business priotities. Where are the business priotities when they furlough us every quarter?

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Post ID: @1dvu+KBunJp4

Get used to it folks. This is called permissive vacation. Look it up... I know for a fact a that this is the wave of the future for American employees - good or bad. You cannot escape this madness.

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Post ID: @1wmw+KBunJp4

At Honeywell, having vacation time with "no preset maximums," means that employees with a length of service will essentially have little chance to take vacations. With the drastic cuts in people, those of us here a long time are stretched so thin, we can't take anywhere near the vacation we already get. This is nothing more than a thinly disguised attempt at screwing RIFed employees out of getting paid for unused vacation.

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Post ID: @1syg+KBunJp4

It doesn't look good to anybody. This is not a sw or tech company where the employees have complete autonomy and are project oriented. There is absolutely no reason for them to employ this policy at Honeywell unless it is to benefit themselves. They are going to have a hell of time justifying themselves in CA. I am sure they are in talks with their lawyers as we speak looking for loopholes. What a scary company...

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Post ID: @1seh+KBunJp4

How will this new vacation policy "facilitate the movement of talent across businesses."? Unless they mean the talent will move to a new company. I would agree with that.

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Post ID: @1coo+KBunJp4

The rumor mills says that such an email will be sent to everyone this Thursday. And if you don't accrue vacation, they don't need to pay you for any unused accrued vacation when you quit, retire, or get Rif'd!

This company is DEFINITELY run by accountants, lawyers, and GREEDY TOP MANAGEMENT!!!!

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Post ID: @1ptt+KBunJp4

Once again Honeyhell-bent posts incorrect information confusing what exempt vs. non-exempt with direct vs indirect charges.

Also, this policy looks great to the 22 year old college grad who's looking to start a family, not the guy who has accrued 6 weeks of vacation with 30 years of service. It's all about perspective

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Post ID: @1mrf+KBunJp4

More good news for the good ol' boys. Managers will let their golf buddies have all the vacation they need. Others will eat cake...or a sheet sandwich.

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Post ID: @1lak+KBunJp4

Calif. and Puerto Rico are not affected yet.... 150% cap rule still applies per the e-mail and HR Direct Calif. policy.

If your boss is a jerk you are in trouble, of course ALT will probably put pressure on good managers to short change everyone on vacations or else they will get terminated.

Exempt means you are overhead and don't fill out a time sheet. Non-Exempt charge their time and/or fill out a time sheet.

What we can expect in 2017: January RIF with (13) week max severance or one week for every two years of service, additionally you will not receive any unused vacation with this new policy unless you work in Calif. or P.R.

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Post ID: @1bcp+KBunJp4

It doesn't state anywhere that if you are allowed vacation time that it's paid. It says paid for the 56 hours of sick leave but it does not say the vacation time, if approved by your manager, is paid.

Friendly Manager, can you clarify? Thank you

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Post ID: @1nsq+KBunJp4

Hmmm...there was a policy for paid time off for a death in the family. I'm guessing that is now a "vacation" since it says "Current Paid-Time-Off Policies will also end."

btw Thanks for posting this early...been hearing rumors since before Thanksgiving.

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Post ID: @1kmx+KBunJp4

There is no company in the US that does not allow employees vacation time! Are we to read this as it is legal to deny vacation time to employees? Wtf

As a 20+ year Honeywell employee I am astounded at what I am seeing. What is the long term goal here?

Why would anyone want to work here?

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Post ID: @1igl+KBunJp4

Awesome. I will probably need to draw up a business case for my boss for each day I am not at his ready. I can think of quite a few others that also won't be able to handle this newfound power.

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Post ID: @1jhy+KBunJp4

Is this new vacation policy only for Aerospace employees?

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Post ID: @1xob+KBunJp4

I would like to thank OP Manager as well. We thank you for stepping out where our "leadership" maintains silence.

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Post ID: @1yye+KBunJp4

First no work from home and now no vacation? and fewer holidays. what the heck is going on with this company? Meanwhile Cote is the one of the highest paid public-company person living in New Jersey. nice. Wish i could make 20-30 million a YEAR. i guess you do that through furlows & no vacations. (or not paying out for vacation time when someone leaves. even thought they earned it!

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Post ID: @olq+KBunJp4

So do you use your 56 hours of sick time before you go on short term disability. I am currently on short term disability and will be in 2017 for a month. Does short term kick in after 7 consecutive days or does this change. Are they doing away with short term disability?

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Post ID: @pba+KBunJp4

@ lsf yes sir. That is the hidden gem of this policy; your manager is not obligated to approve ANY vacation. That's why you have 56 hours of PTO.

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Post ID: @ybu+KBunJp4

Note that the policy does not call for any minimum amount of vacation. In theory there is no obligation for the company to let you take any leave.

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Post ID: @lsf+KBunJp4

I just looked on HR direct... still see the old policy. Can you be more specific about where you found the new policy posted?

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Post ID: @mxl+KBunJp4

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