Saw this yesterday on myittexperience.com:
"Here's some fresh inside news about ITT as of today (July 5th 2016).
In response to the pending loss of accreditation with the ACICS...ITT Tech will rebrand 32 existing campuses as Daniel Webster Colleges (and piggyback on that school's regional accreditation). The remaining 100 or so campuses are either teaching out their students or closing outright.
This process began with the layoffs of all recruiting staff at those 100 campuses closing."
ITT is definitely going down, we have to jump out of this ship before it sinks. I do feel real bad for our students, hopefully they complete their education without any problems. I always laughed (internally) when I saw this clown person in charge of our District, ha ha ha. This clown was always day dreaming, I truly hope they get rid of this person as well. I know for sure that we have excellent employees at ITT, excellent Instructors, but the root of the problem is not us, it is definitely top management, what I don't understand is why they don't get rid of these idiots that have damaged the school's image, pocketing millions of dollars while the little guys are making peanuts for a salary. Perhaps our government should go specifically right after them and incarcerate their behinds for all the damage done to the community and their employees.
How many layoffs had happened at Corporate Office? When they will be announcing the Districts consolidation?, meaning less District Managers?, Where are located those 32 Campuses that will be re-branded "Daniel Webster"
About 6-7 years ago an adjunct was paid about $1500 per class, (probably within100 bucks). Was wondering if it had gone up substantially since then (since ITT is supposedly trying to cut costs). Wouldn't be surprised to see it go lower. I remember some classes having the hours extended, but think the pay was the same regardless of the class.
At my Campus the Registrar and the Librarian Assistant were dismissed. More are on the way to dismiss the ADGS, IT Chair, Electronics Chair, Ed. Reps to no more tan 8; ha, ha, ha, way to go. The only survival is to have the only 2 programs that are real, IT no more classes on Saturday either. Campus should be open at 8am and closed at 9pm M to F. All Departments to work from 8am to 7pm except Academics from 9am to 9pm M to F. Get back to the senses of sound credit principles and not the insanity of 4.5 credits. Be real, otherwise, bye, bye,,,,
"For all of you who thinks your job at ITT Tech is secure, think again"
...whoever thought that in the first place? At the campus I was at (and long gone) there were 10 deans in 12 years, and at least 3 directors, probably 8 recruiting heads, 9 financial heads, too many chairs & instructors to begin to count. The nursing program started & probably had 4 heads in 3 years. We had a spreadsheet of all the different district campus's ( about 8-12 locations) chairs & heads to share best practices, but had to abandon it, since the list would change wildly almost every month.
"I bet you've heard, " just keep doing what you've been doing and working hard"
--no, no one even bothered to ever say that. In fact there was an all-employee meeting of some sort with HQ talking about some new rollout. During Q&A someone at HQ HR chimed in "well at least you have your jobs for now" A real pat on the back
For all of you who thinks your job at ITT Tech is secure, think again. It's only a matter of time before you all show up to work only to find that you too, no longer have a job. My advice to all of you is, "You better start looking now". They don't care about the people who work so hard at their campuses. In fact, I bet you've heard, " just keep doing what you've been doing and working hard". Sound familiar? YOU'RE NEVER going to get an update on the company's current state. RUN!
Several campuses in Northwest District just got downgraded into what ITT-Tech management calls "small campus" mode, due to enrollment dropping under 300.
My campus has been "small campus" for a couple years -- one full time academic person left, administrators doubled up on positions. But still a big recruiting department! Are the recruiters next to go?
IMHO, faculty are more useful than recruiters in teach-out mode! Most likely that's the next "campus model" at ITT-Technical Institutes.
@cjhunter which campus are you from?
Got laid off 7/5 not sure whats happening. 6 of us at our campus. We were all blindsided. ITT doesn't care about their employees. HQ You suck
Layoffs are done. Go back to work.
Your mom goes to college.
Any layoffs today? Looks like we're on the sunny side of this egg. Woo-hoo... maybe it's safe to buy that house now.
Expect layoff at HQ level this Friday--really? bet they are still there. No word on this.
@@If5rZZU-1bwk - In Reference to the comment made about Daniel Websters Accreditation and not being able to have campuses outside of that area is false. I currently work for a Liberal Arts University that is SACS accredited and we locations in multiple states (and not all of them are in SACS states but are the University is SACS accredited regardless where we have physical locations) and there are other organizations that do the same.
"They have to wait on this call center for appointments"
...If the visitor doesn't show up, who will be blamed? Modany?
The call center is in Indianapolis? Maybe the "Career Academy" high school students from the Indianapolis campus are out on summer break, and ITT-Tech is going to give them a "student professional experience" working in the call center -- for free. Pizza lunch.
Great and accurate article. We had 6 reps before July 1st. Now...we have 2. Those laid off reps didnt get a warning either. They have to wait on this call center for appointments. I thought that it was only our campus that had reps laid off but after reading this article, i now believe this layoff happened at several locations. If they don't have appts, they don't have anything to do (frown face). We didn't meet our start numbers and we grad out about 25 students in June. HQ is not even in the Stone Age; they are in the Dumba Age. Dumba weekly calls; dumba engagement rates; dumba rules; dumba** everything ITT. And they are "reaching" when it comes to all of the adversity against them. "We didn't do anything wrong. We're the good guys". Ha! Good guys my ass
Taking everything into account, the only way that ITT could rebrand 32 campuses to Daniel Webster, would be if they had a different accreditor. I was looking at some of the requirements that NEAC has listed to be an affiliated college, and there is no way that ITT would meet them. For example:
"devotes all, or substantially all, of its gross income to the support of its educational purposes and programs;"
Look at the Daniel Webster website. No chance ITT-Tech has kept its fingers out of this place. Too bad. Educational Services Inc. can't do business, can't teach business.
Look at disclosures for their programs. Not readily available, but Massachusetts has strict disclosure requirements for colleges, and Daniel Webster has a few online programs in Massachusetts. Those programs have disclosures posted at http://www.dwc.edu/massachusetts/
Check out the results for Bachelor of Science in Business Administration:
10.26% of students graduated from the program during 2014 and 2015.
Graduate Placement Rate: 25.00% of graduates during 2014 and 2015 obtained full-time, non temporary jobs in their field of study.
And Associate of Science in Business Administration:
6.90% of students graduated from the program during 2014 and 2015.
Graduate Placement Rate: 0.00% of graduates during 2014 and 2015 obtained full-time, non-temporary jobs in their field of study.
Re-launch? Re-brand? More like RE - dream on!
...."Working on new initiatives in nursing to relaunch that program and expand potentially into other technical medical programs."
What? This seems as far-fetched as re-branding campuses as Daniel Webster. Read the many, many postings on this forum about the bungling of the nursing programs by ITT-Tech management. The state nursing boards can't be fooled -- their approval is required for programs to operate, and they are shutting failing programs down. Nursing board minutes show that ITT-Tech management has been trying for many years to fix their nursing programs, but have proved incapable of doing so!
Its amazing that Daniel Webster college is still has accreditation, for starters, since regional accreditation is generally considered "legitimate," whereas other ITT-Tech campuses can't even manage under bogus ACICS rules.
Is Daniel Webster just riding along on accreditation that was given to previous owners? From the regional accreditation agency's website is says, about Daniel Webster, "Initial Accreditation: 1972 Last Review: 2006 Next Review: Fall 2016" (https://cihe.neasc.org/about-our-institutions/roster#New Hampshire)
Daniel Webster is up for major review this Fall! From NEACS website, "Accredited institutions undergo comprehensive evaluations at least every ten years. In keeping with its policy on Public Comments, the Commission seeks public comment on institutions during the comprehensive evaluation."......"The following institutions will undergo comprehensive evaluations in Fall 2016. If you wish to comment on any of these institutions, please contact the Commission in writing by the date indicated. " Daniel Webster is on the list, and the public comment period ends November 16, 2016.
(https://cihe.neasc.org/about-our-institutions/upcoming-comprehensive-evaluations)
Can Daniel Webster pass this test? How could ESI really be putting much hope in re-branding other campuses, when it may not even pass this evaluation? Won't Kevin Modany, at the least, have to be culled from the pack of liars currently running Educational Services, Inc.? Maybe if ESI has taken a "hands-off" approach with Daniel Webster, the college has some chance of survival.
Hoosier, where is your information coming from? Seem logical for a rebranding given the environment and issues and plausible since there are other schools accredited at the same body elsewhere in the US as branch locations, albeit the one I identified is outside the US. Would the oldest accrediting body in the US want this exposure? assumptions are great but some good hard information would be even better. With stock ownership changing hands, what are the Zhangs up to with this as well?
They are closing schools with less than 150 students and any school with less than 800 inquiries/quarter. They don't expect the call center to work which is why they only cut recruitment staff and Financial Aid at campuses with less than 150.
Working on new initiatives in nursing to relaunch that program and expand potentially into other technical medical programs.
If possible re-brand at Daniel Webster, if not, go non-profit to avoid further scrutiny.
Apparently they are attempting to move all recruiting measures (well maybe 80-90% of it) to Indianapolis and have it done via something like call centers there.
That is what is being told to some of the recently laid off recruiters or there are hearing it somehow from Deans and/or Campus Directors.
This is such an awful way to do business and there is no way they will ever be able to keep enrollment up enough to justify paying for these 10,000 - 30,000 sq ft locations all over the place, none of the financials make any sense on this. Most campuses are down a significant amount of enrollees and now have barebones Admissions staffs, zero Registrar and missing Chairs of programs. Can you imagine wanting to start school somewhere because a telemarketer got you "excited" about it over the phone? Yyyyaaaahhhh NO.
There aren't 32 campuses in New England. Hell, there might be only two (remember New York doesn't count) and the others ARE Daniel Webster already.
It would be tricky regarding accreditation for schools to pull this off, especially with ACICS already holding ITT's feet to the fire.
I still see the company going fully under within 6-12 months and that is being conservative, just like Corinthian did. The ship is just about sunk. They already need to answer the Dept of Ed. requirement of putting aside another $75M like NOW and the layoffs may be cost cutting measures that are too little, too late.
Expect layoff at HQ level this Friday. Expected IT, Analysts, DMs and Marketing for layoffs. They are freeing up cash flow for payroll and save for Dep. of Ed. cash flow requirements. Only thing that will save the company is a complete change across the executives and some board members.
Sounds like a cashflow crunch.
Since the accreditor of Daniel Webster only services 6 New England States, would that mean that the 32 rebranded are all in New England? I am in the midwest. No sign of layoffs in recruiting that I can see. We did have a bunch quit back in the spring.
I wonder if any other campuses are closing up for the "rebrand"
I can confirm five Admissions staff and some others were laid off at the Wilmington, MA campus today.
I stuck it out partially because like you I didn't want to waste the first year or two before I realized that ITT wouldn't take me anywhere. You will end up in the same boat whether you graduate or not. Those loans are already gone, already wasted, and even if you have a degree it will get you zero interest in the job market.
@ibp, glad you are reading this forum! This posting about closings of 100 or so campuses seems to be jumping the gun. But with all of ITT-Tech's problems, almost certainly lots of campuses will be closing over the next few months.
With your drive and determination, you will succeed. And you don't need ITT-Tech! You can find better education opportunities. But, since you have paid for summer quarter classes already, consider attending your classes for the rest of this quarter, if you feel if its worth your time. Resist the sales pitches by the staff!
"There are rumors going around that a math instructor was heard walking out of the building in a huff saying "I'm going som place with real maath curriculum to teach." That rumor is close to the truth -- that math instructor is me. That was a comment made in the hallway, during a class break, to another instructor, when I was losing my patience with ITT-Tech headquarters! But I didn't walk out of the building. I taught through the end of last quarter. Now I am volunteering my time with an organization that provides free math instruction at a community center in Seattle.
Please consider joining ITT Tech Warriors on Facebook, for support. Many, many former students have come to the same realization as you. Good luck.
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I have taken all reports seriously and to heart. I have just begun my third quarter of my first year, and it is EXTRMELY evident that the instructors are NOT qualified, and do not have a true desire to teach. Only two individuals at the Everett, WA Campus qualify as competent and engaged, with a true passion for teaching. ONLY TWO! Whether I stay or leave, get my AA or BA, drop out or graduate, it will ALL achieve the same result, a low paying crap job just like I am working now. I might get health benefits and some sort of smoke and mirror paid vacation, but it would be a far cry from the life and career I am dreaming of.
IF they are closing, outright or end of year, it is worthless to stay on any longer. ZERO credits are transferrable to another college. ZERO! Read it and weep. Staying on will only consume your financial aid/student loans and create needless debt in the attempt of bettering yourself and your life, with the goal of ELIMINATING debt. Crippling debt, life changing debt, cant get credit or additional school loan type of debt. Leaving now will mean I "waste" my tuition for summer quarter, its already wasted. Leaving now will mean my loans and atudent aid stop as well, they cant spend my tuition for winter quarter if I leave and don't register.
I'm out. Done. Gone. Not going back. There is no need. There are rumors going around that a math instructor was heard walking out of the building in a huff saying "I'm going som place with real maath curriculum to teach." Wow. Thats alarming. It is clear to me that my Into to AutoCAD instructor was a nice woman, who works for a popular restaurant chain in the PNW, a booming business by all standards. She's got the great job I and every other student is looking for. While she works for said company and uses AutoCAD on a daily basis, she is in no way qualified or experienced enough to teach. At any school, let alone THE national tech school which touts the best of everything. They just tout the best bullshit to get us to sign up.
Leave while you can, before your loan status is destroyed and you cant go back to school. And everyone thinking of signin up, DON'T! You may not have a local school or institution teaching what you want to learn. Move, find a way to get what you want. You may have to change evreything if y our life to get it. You want change? Start creating it. It's entirely up to you.
I feel duped. But I've learned a life long lesson. Trust YOUR instincts and research everything. If you dont get the answer you want, either you asked the wrong quesiton, or the answer you got explains your fears and reasons for you asking such a question in the first place.
P.S. One of the two instructors I mentioned who ARE competent and qualified, taught me what the "nth degree" really means.
I doubt there's any truth to this rumor. We would have heard had the admissions reps at 100 campuses been laid off. In addition, it's not that easy to "piggyback" on the regional accreditation of one affiliated campus. My guess is that ITT Tech will ride through the ACICS storm but is already seeking a new accreditor on the side. The company may well be doomed but it will struggle on on life support for a couple more years probably.