not that anyone cares.
copper is obsolete along with any responsibility to the public
we are not a utility right?
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2460682,00.asp
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U-Verse
"I wonder if they use copper for HSI anywhere in Europe?".
Yes. ADSL is usually the least expensive broadband option available in most countries. Huge chunks of Scandinavia are FTTH, though.
" I wonder if they get faster speeds than we do here in the U.S.?"
You can't really run away from distance limitations on copper with xDSL technology, but I have yet to hear of anyone sitting on less than 5/1 even in Eastern Europe, while speeds of 3Mbps or less are still common in many parts of the U.S.
Wasn't the "last mile" entering individual buildings one of the very excuses Verizon gave for not meeting it's FIOS obligations in NYC?
Well you better write to those magazines too, they have a bunch of idiots writing for them. Seems to me like you guys are just trying to change the subject.
No one has suggested conditions in the lab are not better than the field, in fact that is STATED IN THE ARTICLE. Likewise the idea that copper would be used for "last mile" also STATED IN THE ARTICLE.
Then you tell people to read before posting. Did you?
I suppose your argument is that Verizon does not seek to escape regulation anyway they can? Have you been paying any attention to the company you work for?
@H7JsHKS wow, you're an idiot... besides the extreme distance limitations, copper in a lab is nothing like the copper in the field- subject to noise, contamination, cross-talk... wasn't even a decent try... I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul... SMH
This is because, the report says, "DSL, unlike cable and fiber technologies, is strongly dependent upon the length of the copper wire (or "loop") from the residence to the service provider's terminating electronic equipment, such that obtaining higher data speeds would require companies to make significant capital investments across a market area to shorten the copper loops."
Well, that's not going to happen. Indeed some companies, such as Verizon, have been accused of letting its copper network fall into disrepair . If G.fast takes off, those old copper telephone lines will become valuable property again.
I wonder if they use copper for HSI anywhere in Europe? I wonder if they get faster speeds than we do here in the U.S.?
I understand and quoted that very piece of the article
Bell Labs's breakthrough could presumably reduce the cost of fiber-optic network rollouts, as the fiber connectivity could be extended simply to a point where copper could take over. Neighborhoods, for example, wouldn't all need fiber-optic lines strung to the doors of each and every house; the existing copper infrastructure could be used to carry the signal through the "last mile."
Please read the article and understand that this type of technology could not run through our current infrastructure. This is CO fiber to node/copper to premises. This could not feasible as CO copper to premises. That's the point. Please try to understand what you are arguing.
The point is not that copper is better than fiber but that it's demise has been hastened to escape regulation in the name of technology. ATT watching with interest.
The matter is why reuse the crappy cables we have now. And if you are gong to run new cables, why not run fiber? This is only feasible if it is from a fiber connected cabinet in the vicinity. Running this from the frame at the CO would be absurd... if 230 feet gets you 1 Gig what will the last mile get you?
Bell Labs's breakthrough could presumably reduce the cost of fiber-optic network rollouts, as the fiber connectivity could be extended simply to a point where copper could take over. Neighborhoods, for example, wouldn't all need fiber-optic lines strung to the doors of each and every house; the existing copper infrastructure could be used to carry the signal through the "last mile."
Read before you post...
"Bell Labs was only able to sustain the 10 Gbps speeds for a total of 30 meters, or 100 feet. It (naturally) got a bit more room out of its slower 1Gbps symmetrical connection, which was consistent up to just around 70 meters (230 feet)."
In what world are the COs that close to the customer?
Uh this is for VDSL 2, IE two cable pairs. Not to mention most cables leave as copper from the co to the customer. What this article is talking about is Fiber from the CO to a node in the same neighborhood as the customer. And Then copper to the premises. Not the same thing... nice try.