Heard that the ones targeted to be got rid of before this focal have been notified. The folder being given away by the HR seems to be pink in color for the great great inventors of the 1980s who are still celebrating and arrogant about what they did 3 decades ago. Such buddies need to check if their ids are still active. If you don't find it active any more, don't worry - During your next office visit, make sure you carry a carton box to bring home all your mess from your decade-old cube. Intel got the late realization that the old timers had made the company a picnic spot where they visit occasionally and just enjoy their time while getting paid. This will not work any more.. The new generation also deserves quality jobs as much as anyone else. Hence, please leave the company, so the younger generation gets a decent job.
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I think you're right about Bernie, he seems to be the only anti-corporation one in the bunch. But putting him in office would be a case of "swallowing the spider to catch the fly". Sure he'll fix the corporate ownership of policy but he'll also make us all equally poor in the fashion of failed European states: Greece, Portugal, Spain, etc. But not to worry, Bernie is un-electable for the very reason that he's against the Corporatism. Corporatism will stay with us until it breaks the system, then we can start over.
@-rnzf
And do you know how to fix this? The only real way to fix it is to fix the US economy, which means stripping corporations' and Wall Street's ability to purchase politicians and their legislative influence. If you don't start there anything else just amounts to pounding one's head against the wall, for all the good that will do.
Vote for Bernie Sanders. He is one of the only righteous people left in Washington and will genuinely try at the very least to wrestle the country away from the riggers of the game.
Forget class action lawsuits. The only people who make out are the dirt-bag lawyers. Just look at the High Tech Employees lawsuit settlement. The settlement was for $415M which sounds like a very big number, that is until you factor in that 64,000+ people were being screwed by the biggest ahole of them all, Steve Jobs and his partnership of criminal CEOs (including Intel's). When the bottom line was drawn, the average settlement payout to each of the people who were materially screwed by these companies CEO's was ~$5k! Now compare that with the $85M-$90M that was divided between literally only a handful of attorneys. That's probably an even bigger crime that the subject of the lawsuit.
And in the end, it was such a pittance when considering how much damage these CEOs wrought to a very large population of professional engineers,... they are all probably today wondering why they didn't just keep on doing it since the cost to them for doing so was so low.
Pathetic really.
Trump will save America.
Ok, I read the article and agree that everything described are egregious abuses and ethically outrageous. But if you 1) believe as the author states that the H1B program is designed and "used to unfairly limit wages and steal -- yes, steal -- jobs from US citizens" and 2) believe that corporations have gotten away with abuses for years, then trying to police a law that is abusive and has been un-policed should at least raise some questions. Questions like: why has it been abused for years...and...if corporations set it up and get away with exceeding it's limits regularly how is 1 lawsuit going to change that (or would it just cause them to change the verbiage of the law). The only way to really address the issue is through Congress (limits or rescinding the law).
@3adc - Did you read the link to the article? That was just one example of abuse....there are many abuses of the H1B program. If we could get the DOJ to investigate first like they did with the collusion problem, that would be a great help. Then a lawsuit could be filed. As I posted previously, a quote from the article (http://betanews.com/2012/10/25/h-1b-visa-abuse-limits-wages-and-steals-us-jobs/): "As always, it takes either an investigation by the USDOJ or massive fines (or both) to redirect bad behavior to federal compliance."
3uzm & 3obv...I sincerely wish you the best. Intel and other corporations are very unethical and deserve serious penalties and legal changes to restrict their unethical behavior. However I don't think you're going to be successful with a legal battle against a deep pocket company unless you've got solid "red-handed" evidence. Like 2 posts ago says, there's a lot of "wiggle room" in the law (that is there on purpose, written by corporations and their lobyist consultants). I was part of Intel management and while I saw a lot of unethical behavior there was nothing I thought I could whistle-blow based on... Trust me, I looked hard.
It's called badge not ID moron. That clearly shows you don't work for Intel. Once you been identified using your IP we will have the last laugh.
Same thing can be said for age discrimination or minority targets. It's legal within certain parameters, outside of those parameters it is not. Lawsuits are possible if rules are not followed (i.e., keeping wages down). I'm sure those companies doing the collusion on not hiring workers of competitors thought they were legal too. The H1B visa program was designed to pay prevailing wages....guess what, these companies pay them considerably less affecting the rest of us.
Yes, it would be best to change the political system and get rid of the H1B system entirely. But the fact that these companies are not using this H1B system the way it was designed to be used would be cause for a DOJ investigation/lawsuit. There are all kinds of abuses of the H1B system that these companies use.
From the link previously posted:
"The rules for H-1B visas state that they must be for technical positions for which there is no comparable US citizen available and the position must pay the prevailing wage or higher."
"It’s this definition of prevailing wage where we next see signs of H-1B abuse by employers. The intent of the original law was for companies not to use H-1B workers simply to save money. In the enabling legislation from 1990, however, there are two different definitions of the term “prevailing wage.” The first is quite strict while the second, which is used by self-certifying employers to set actual pay scales, has plenty of wiggle room."
The only time Intel didn't comply with the law was in the collusion on not hiring workers of competitors (the lawsuit payout that just happened). Everything else being mentioned: H1B, minority "targets" (which the rest of the world calls it like it really is: QUOTAS), and age discrimination through performance reports... all that stuff is legal, even though it is very unethical. All lawsuits will be a waste of time on legal but unethical activities. If you want to change things you have to change the political system. H1B limits are controlled by Congress, quotas and age discrimination law changes are controlled by the US Supreme Court. Look at what has been successful (a collusion lawsuit is NOT success for these 3 unethical practices). The answer is to lobby if you want change. It's what the corporations did to change the laws in their favor in the first place.
Sorry about the link below, didn't mean to take you directly to the comments. To go directly to the article:
http://betanews.com/2012/10/25/h-1b-visa-abuse-limits-wages-and-steals-us-jobs/
Btw, for a good explanation of how the H1B visa program keeps wages down:
http://betanews.com/2012/10/25/h-1b-visa-abuse-limits-wages-and-steals-us-jobs/#comments
"For a large multinational corporation to play this game is not new. The reason that they carry on with these activities are for one reason only — control. Control of the employee and uneven bargaining at the end of the day. I have dealt with this with different multinational corporations… and they have, can and will act in the same manner. As always, it takes either an investigation by the USDOJ or massive fines (or both) to redirect bad behavior to federal compliance."
@2stv - Agree with everything you say; however, the DOJ did look into various companies for their collusion with not hiring each others' employees and found that they were keeping wages down. Then the SF law firm took that ruling and brought about the class action lawsuit that we are now getting a check for which is for 1/3 wages and 2/3 damages. So my hope is that the DOJ can do an investigation into the abuses of the H1B program which is also keeping wages down and maybe that same SF law firm can take the ball from there and we can get another class action settlement and hopefully fix the system. Somebody on this forum mentioned that this same law firm is collecting data regarding Intel's discrimination against older folks. Hopefully, something can come of that as well. These companies need to learn to value their employees and play fair.
2ccr- you ain't gonna do shit to anyone blowhard. Now drum up some coffee at my cubicle fat slob.
OP is right though the words he has used are a bit harsh. What he has explained is the reality and it happens very often at intel. Apparently, another layoff is also around the corner. Hope people that get affected find some alternative before the axe hits them.
YOU'RE GOD DAMN RIGHT!
Intel is no different than any other large company. You are up against a Corporatist system where corporations write the laws and their paid for politicians pass them and elect friendly judges. Good luck with that.
@2ccr. Assuming your statements on position are correct then you are no more than a criminal jerk. HR's and your actions are clearly age discriminatory and needs to be punished. Class action I hope. This is no better than PO's collusion with Jobs, should yield a significant payout. Shame that heads didn't roll, hoping that to change with repeat offences.
Different person than the other posts. I'm one of the ones doing the layoffs. Lucky for you angry, petulant RCG that I don't know who you are or you would be getting a pink slip for sure. I AM THE ONE WHO KNOCKS!
We absolutely made the right decision to lay you off.
The "that attitude" you're talking about is simply the perception of reality in the face of management spin. Wake up! The "Intel is a sinking company" post and the one below it are right.
Intel is a sinking company. Was there 18 years and got my layoff notice.
In my opinion Intel does not value hard work, ingenuity or creativity...they only value people that can navigate the politics and do what management wants. Management at Intel is a bunch of old school folks that only care about their own retirement. If Intel doesn't clean out the old school management...they are destined to sink.
Those of us who saw this Titanic taking on water are already gone. We are the lucky ones who left while the economy was good. There are a couple lifeboats left for those that don't want to gamble on the speed that Intel is currently sinking. Get on a lifeboat now and save your career before you go down with the ship; in the worst case it could be in a bad economy in cities with few options for high paying jobs (ie Portland). And for someone who hasn't left and Intel is your 20yr first job I say 1) congratulations for your hard work (don't listen to the hate filled RCG who dominates posts here) 2) use your Intel-honed skills for objective data analysis to analyze your own situation at Intel... what are the prospects for this company? Do so with the same intellectual honesty you apply to your own job.
Enjoy getting what you "deserve" with Intel. It is certain to happen. If you can't see Intel being disrupted yet (and see the trend continue to play out over the coming years) then you are blind and surely deserve to go down with this Titanic. Hey RCG: deck chairs need rearranging. Get to it!
Thanks.
BK rocks. Stock shoukd crack 40 soon.
I guess 'pink folders' are the new pink slips? I just happen to like pink. I guess I should get rid of all my pink folders as they now have bad juju associated with them. Can't be seen walking down the halls with one in my hand now, can I???!?
Boom!