Thread regarding Intel Corp. layoffs

Definitely an "Intel analogy". (The real army wouldn't let shit get that f'd up.) Your personal Intel analogy is not that different from others - mine is very similar.

7ixn, Story of Inside Intel. Good one!!!

A story about a unit of army called regiment.

The regiment is commanded by a colonel, it is very experienced regiment with lots of experienced soldiers. The colonel really wants to move up in the rank inside army, this is his top priority. By building connection, he get a task for desired battle with all high rank officer eye on it. He plan the battle with focus on making it shine that can show off his talent. When assign tasks to soldiers, experienced soldier voice different view: “We don’t have the right weapon to fight this battle, will be high casualty if we do”. Colonel response: “follow my order”. At the end, the regiment lose the battle with high casualty. The commanding general get mad, and come to the regiment for reviewing. After reviewing, the general give the colonel an order: “Your regiment has too many old soldiers who are incapable of winning a battle, you need to replace older soldier with younger one”. The colonel take this opportunity to fire older soldiers who are talented and threat to his colonel position. He also has hard time to recruit since the talented young people do not want to join his regiment. Colonel has to settle down with less talented young soldiers. After young soldier join the regiment for a while he come to the colonel: “The weapon is too advanced, I don’t know how to operate it. Can you show me how to?” The colonel tells the young soldier: “I don’t know how to operate a weapon, ask older soldiers, they can teach you”. The young soldier is smart and immediately realize, being an expert on weapon will lead him to nowhere in the rank. So he comes to the older soldier: “Can you teach me how to operate the weapon, I only need learn the simple operation so that I can show off I am capable of operating the weapon, I don’t need to learn how to maintain and repair the weapon”. At this moment, the older soldier is completely speechless.

100 RSU in 4 yrs= 25 share every year x$30=$700X.5(tax)=$350 a year. Good for two dinners. This means please leave. There is no future at Intel

Up through Grade 9 = 100 RSU, Grade 10 to 13, 80% RSU, 20% options

Up through Grade 9 = 100 RSU, Grade 10 to 13, 80% RSU, 20% options

So true - we all play the game, there are folks that each of us strategically stab into back due to this

You are ranked and rated against your peers, but your manager relies heavily on your peer feedback. With this concept, wouldn't it be in you and your peer's best interest to bad-mouth each other with your feedback, even if not true?

Glad I dont have to go trough another focal this yr. What's left inside Intel is bunch of scavengers killing each other and eating each other flesh. Continue on until the end which is very close.

Agree, focal is truly a political game. With each round of the game the result is a population of Intel employees which are more and more political - and less focused on true results. I notice that it's being played more brutally than ever, in some cases like a real life version of the game show "the weakest link" where contestants often vote off some of the strongest competitors simply because they represent a personal threat. Thinking about the future, I wonder what an Intel full of US Congressmen would produce?

Focal is a political game. Even as an engineer you didn't learn it in school, you have to learn it quickly in Intel. sadly, lots of good engineers didn't learn it fast enough and lost this game.

My opinion only but even if you don't have many positives you should still give feedback and not use that as an excuse not to. Unless the real excuse is no time. It is what it is and if hardly and positives, so be it. Yeah, I'm a hardnose. I also say it like it is.

No it is regarded as "I'm too busy for this Shit"

Secretly disagree and suck it up. Well put, I agree, that is the reality. That is also the reality in all other bureaucracy-laden companies. Intel rewards political play these days more than actual results. Brush up on your lobbying skills and agree with your betters (kissing ass as you do it is best) so you can manipulate things the way you need to in order to keep your career.

You need to agree and commit that 1+1=3 period.

Your manager assigne you a project to create an engining method of making 1+1=3. You can disagree but have to commit. At focal time, you will be rated BE or IR and receive ISP. Two causes for this. 1. Your manager understand very little on engineering work and no willingness to listen to anyone under; 2. Your mameritocracy.to kick you out. In both cases, move out as soon as possible. Focal has nothing to do with meritocracy.

I have worked in 2 different Intel groups. Unfortunately, I needed to be a Yes-man to be Successful in my role. Difficult for me to openly admit, however.

2huo - watch out. If your job if so simple you don't need to disagree, chances are you're up for termination in the near future... to be replaced by a robot.

I do not think that word means what you think it means. Commit does not mean unswerving loyalty as in the wife in an arranged marriage culture. Commit means to execute. Let me look it up for you: "1. carry out or perpetrate". If there was no commit there would be people that were rated one thing in their focal session and got another from their managers. Also commit doesn't mean you stop disagreeing - it just means you do what your told. The saying is disagree AND commit. It means you don't have to be a corporate drone (pun intended).

I do not think that word means what you think it means. Commit does not mean unswerving loyalty as in the wife in an arranged marriage culture. Commit means to execute: "1.carry out or perpetrate". If there was no commit there would be people that were rated one thing in their focal session and got another from their managers. Also commit doesn't mean you stop disagreeing - it just means you do what your told. The saying is disagree AND commit. It means you don't have to be a corporate drone (pun intended).

"If you do not agree with what our CEO says you should not be working for Intel". What kind of fascist are you? This is America, it's our right and freedom to disagree. Not only that, it's INTEL for god sake - the motto is "DISAGREE and commit". Sincerely hope that was just sarcasm that I missed and not a denial of both freedoms and good business principles.

2xkd, I like to believe your manager but who knew they would use S4/5 for ISP? They can come up with these rules on the fly. It could be buried somewhere. Hope he is right and if not he should be fired.

2xkd - It's BECAUSE there are no rules or guidelines that "time in grade" can be used against employees. I have been part of many rank groups that used this as a key factor to push people into BE/IR! It's not that managers are seeking to use time in grade but they will use it to hit distribution when they need to. That's why having "no rules or guidelines" are in management interest - time in grade is used when needed.

I can only speak for myself (not an engineer nor exempt so it may differ for you) but I was in the same grade for 15 yrs. However, what does it matter if the rules can change at anytime?

If it is communicated to all that S4/5 is applied to all grade levels and may be used for ISP, then the Intel policy is fair. That is essentially what BK said last year.

What?! Of course it's unfair to fire people this way but I think you need a focal refresher course.

S4/5 only applies to grades 7 and above, so is not a fair method if used for ISP.

If you've never been in a rank group session let me explain a little more what the "bottom fishing" is like... Each manager comes in pushing for the best thing for their employees. Other managers in the room push back and target employees to push lower in order to meet distribution. One of the ways they do this is looking at who received ssl4/5 in past years. This is not a new "thing".

The most common scenarios were that managers systematically sprinkled S4/5 as trade-offs for people who took leave of absences, maternity leave, etc while still giving these folks Successful with avg % pay increase. However, these managers never knew these would eventually used for performance based layoffs. Pretty big screw ups, but not sure who should take the blame.

@1ino - You're saying they knew from years ago that if they gave a S4/5 that it would mean an ISP years down the road? I don't think that's true. Hence me saying I heard managers were surprised when it happened.

Of course they knew, I think they found out too late what past levels they'd given out would mean.

-1gxj I heard the opposite - that managers did know. Not the extent necessarily, but that there were layoffs for ssl 4/5.

I heard that the manager's weren't aware of what S4/5 might/would mean and they were caught by surprose. If that's true they aren't to blame.

I personally think the mangers who handed out the S4/5 last time without informing the employees the meaning of S4/5 should have been fired. Lets see how they handle it this year. Thoughts?

...that can... :)

At this point everyone with RISK of an S4 or lower should be actively seeking a job outside the company. If you're not then you are not being responsible with your career. Intel has shown they are not an employer that cannot be trusted... so why are you trusting them?

this year average 1.6%. Enjoy.

Yes, that's probably true. Best to have your resume out there and be actively looking outside Intel even if you're not a risk for a bad focal.