Thread regarding Education Management Corporation layoffs

You guys are all confused. The main reason you should be upset is the immoral lending/financial practices EDMC is involved with. The instructors and the schools themselves are what you make of it. I've worked on 6 major features now, wouldnt have been able to do any of it if not for my instructors/peers/friends from school and the many things I learned in that environment. I am however upset that my industry itself (Visual Effects) is one that is hard to survive in, and those that do are either just scraping or have scraped long enough to land a senior position. The amount I make is not enough to live/eat/pay my loans off. Its impossible. Thats where the real crime is. Its not that your teachers "sucked" or whatever. Its that if you pay 90K+ for a degree in an over-saturated market where everyone is scraping and battling for work just to make ends meet, the juice wasnt worth the squeeze. If the interest rates were feasible and the degrees way less expensive..no one would have room to complain. Everyone I knew that bitched about teachers at my school didnt amount to shit, the ones that didnt are working (surprise..surprise). Bitch about the money..not the fact that you cant find creative work.

Spam all edmc social media pages. Keep the media people busy deleting!

Wow. Edmc sure has pissed off a lot of people.... Yet they are still a billion dollar company. Not right!

Even if the entire EDMC schools were filled with "people who wanted shortcuts", EDMC would still be accountable. There is no getting around they inflated job placement rates and told students - Ai students especially - their grads are highly sought after and paid well in their respective industries. That is still fraud through and through. If you don't think so, do you truly feel it was a great business model to use low-income people, veterans, and non-traditional students as a way to siphon federal tax dollars for their gain? If it's not a federal crime, it should be. Prison for all complicit with this crime.

Obviously when I enrolled, being really good at art and going to a higher education platform, I thought I was going to learn some advanced skills that would benefit me. Once enrolled, I discovered what a crap hole the school actually was, but then did not drop out because I thought if I at least stuck it out and got the degree, it would get me into the door. Use some critical thinking here. Obviously if it was JUST the piece of paper, I would've gone to community college. I believed the 92% placement statistics for my school and the career statistics they showed me when I enrolled. I didn't know then that all those statistics were false. I did not drop out because they put you through fundamentals courses first, and that seemed legitimate, if not redundant, and you don't get into classes for your major until you are already tens of thousands in debt. So then you are left with a choice. You can't transfer out of the school, and dropping out means starting to pay on debts you are not financially prepared for yet. And starting over somewhere else means taking on even more debt. This is how EDMC traps you. So no, it wasn't that I went for just a piece of paper. It wasn't just a piece of paper until I was about a year into my schooling. I genuinely wanted an education and I was told that the education there rivaled the best art colleges in the nation. For the money, I should have just gone to Cal Arts and gotten a real education. Hindsight is 20/20, and these things weren't as well known when I enrolled 8 years ago. People take statements so literally. You asked why people didn't drop out, I answered, then that got twisted. EDMC employees are kind of hopeless, and incredibly dense it seems.

In CA the full time faculty make 70 - 90K and get paid for anything extra ( due to labor laws) plus get 9 weeks vacation.

With extra hours (open houses were paid for the past 5 years - workshops) I made between 65-70K at an AI for 10 years. I never worked more than 4 days a week - often 3. My peers never took a paper home and did their online teaching and graduate school obligations on campus during teaching time. They followed the given corporate day-by-days and never wrote a test or power point. I also saw a student teach online for another instructor and another time saw a student complete his graduate work. One instructor made it clear that his wife worked for him to get the "silly grad work"done (Argosy Phd). If you wanted an easy job it was there. Do not think for a minute that it isn't very easy to teach online. A basic cut and paste job once you facilitate the class once. It is more annoying responding to the inane daily emails. You don't need to be an expert in the topic. I still think online is a much worse problem than any campus issue. As has been said many times... YES there were and probably are excellent teachers on campus and online but at AI the really horrible con jobs got away with helping to destroy the school. I saw it first hand and often they were heaped with praise by management because they knew how to play the game and look the part when they thought someone important was in the room.

No instructor there is making 70K. It's closer to 45K I know because I was there. Also, its not 3 days a week, the non teaching time is filled with grades, creating projects, meeting with students, tutoring, endless meaningless department meetings, phony push to do outside activities, getting a higher degree from the same fake school and attending suck ass open house events so recruiters can use you as a puppet for their American greed stories. Management and recruiters make that kind of cash. I know this sounds backwards, but private schools usually pay instructors a lot less then real universities because they can hire anyone they want and fire them just as fast. There is no tenure either so if your boss doesn't like you, you are out.

Going to school for a piece of paper and striving to be educated are very different goals. You buy a piece of paper and edmc students - from the Ai degrees to the argosy bullshit PhDs were happy doing this until people working with the owners of those pieces of paper exposed them as lacking talent or knowledge. Now after taking the easy but expensive road they are upset. There will always be people who want the shortcuts.

Why students stay or continued to go to the school is a fair question. There was/ is a lot of inertia to go around - students, faculty and staff. Let's face it - edmc still has some time left and earning 70k for 3 days work and 9 weeks vacation (at least) a year is a tough gig to quit. Being told by the instructor that you are special - one of their favorites - is a nice feeling. Now go do my prep for my freelance catering event tonight - I'll let you try the fancy cheeses.... I'll be on my smoke break...

402: Then use your art and get involved? SCARED?

Personally, I didn't drop out because I am good at art and I thought the degree was just a pathway into getting my foot in the door. Now I know that my talent would have gotten me in the door regardless, and the piece of paper I believed mattered means nothing. Employers discriminated against me before I removed Ai from my resume. So, now I have a job based on my own merits, and a ton of debt thanks to a bogus education.

402: Why not drop out? Maybe read the comment before yours.

402! Why do you think! They've had enough! Does everything have to be spelled out for you?

The protesting is due to people finally organizing online and petitions that have been circulating and so forth. Many people were not aware of the systemic fraud that was present in the schools until they heard about the Corinthian situation and looked into the history of their own school, stories from fellow ex students.

then they see the marketing attempts like #aiuncontainable and the open house invitations (which look like invites to Hogwarts) that are being marketed to tweens. They know the facts now. They know the college scorecard stats from the gov which clearly show that there are better options for higher ed.

So that is why the protests are happening now.

The final days of the physical schools are at hand. Most likely, they will move toward the online only presence within the year, where it is harder for protesters to hold them accountable. Then they just have to get Anonymous involved to crash the site on a regular basis.

Time for the greedy corporate vampires to step into the sunlight of accountability

Students, why didn't you drop out of you thought the school was terrible? Why protest now?

As a former instructor, I really don't believe that most students know their education from AI is poor. They are likely the first person in their family to go to college and they feel proud. They feed off the praise of instructors. At least half of the instructors would use students (volunteer or give them a meal) to support their freelance work. The instructors stay at AI because it is easy money and they have access to free or cheap labor to support their side businesses. The students like this because they feel special. It is only when they leave this bubble and try to work when they realize they are behind other people in skill sets and knowledge. Then there are those bills... Sad but true.

This is not a fight of other artist or schools, to do for you, they did their research, and the schools probably even warned you if you took the time to shop around and speak to them in person before you sighed on the dotted line. However, there are a lot of people who should jump in and support the fight. All of your fellow students, and more importantly, your parents. Schools listen when parents get involved even if its college. They have a right to make sure their kids are not getting ripped off. If just 1% of the students parents got involved protesting, writing letter to politicians, article to magazines you would have so much media coverage you would not know how to handle it. There is about 100,000 students nation wide? Just 1% of that 1,000 people activity fighting for you would change the game. Unfortunately I have not seen more than a handful make a stink about it. Most of the students and parent seem lazy or apathetic. Going to Yelp and giving a 1 star rating in nice but that hardly equates to being actively involved in change or fighting for your kids future. It is literally the least you could do.

Yep, in fact they used to use the phrase "market driven degrees" to imply that they can change their curriculum based on whats new and popular. In reality, that means they never had long term students future as their goal, turned out to be which buz faze McDegree would fill the most seats. Before they came along, almost no one was asking for a degree to make video games. Very few places could teach it. So the jobs that did get filled came from artist who really had talent from traditional art schools and learned to translate those skills into a digital world on their own. They never got sucked into "like playing games? Come be an Animator" "like buying clothes, Come be a famous fashion designer" LOL

Ai programs are developed by marketing people. There are very few educators left in the building which speaks volumes.

Ai should stop giving "Fine Art Degrees," because the curriculum is not a "Fine Arts" curriculum at all. It is commercial at best, but it isn't even that because you are learning a buffet of skills, never developing expertise in any one area. There is a complete lack of focus, leaving students as beginner level jack-of-all-trades, and experts in nothing. Real artists should seriously step up and help boycott these schools. Students from real art schools should start speaking out. Industry professionals should start speaking out. Ai is not a school for artists. It is a school for people who think they are maybe good at art and kind of like art, so they can go to get their money robbed from them while they slowly come to the realization that you can't teach talent. I want to be an NFL linebacker, but no amount of school is going to transform my tiny frame or give me any degree of athleticism. Its something you have or you don't. You can't tell people you will make them fine-tuned artists because you CAN'T deliver on that. Ai is selling pipe dreams to impressionable people.

Sorry, but that long story about how Ai used to be a good school is pure crap. I was there too, it was never that great of a school. Yes they did have portfolio reviews for 2 of the majors (only after instructors twisted their arms for years) but they were still weak by comparison to most real art schools. The skill level was at what other schools would have accepted as an entry portfolio, but not even close to what would be expected for a mid term or graduation level portfolio. You can claim you worked hard, learned a lot and came a long way but at the end of the day, nobody cares....except maybe mommy and daddy. Employers dont hire based on personal growth, they hire on who has the best skills, attitude and can work on a team. You will be judged right next to the guys who DID go to those other selective schools, who did have amazing raw talent and worked their ass off too. In fact some of those other design schools are so tough they assign homework that is 40 hours a week outside of the time you have to put in during the day at the school. They actually discourage you from working because they know if you do,, you will fail. And weekends, forget it. That is a luxury they only get to experience during the term breaks.

GREAT! Help spread the word that revolution had begun!

Good point! No only was it Ai, but their other fraudulent schools were just as bad.

I had a sales rep from South University corner me at the Ai portfolio show. He took my business card and he didn't really explain who he was or why he was there. I though he was a prospective employer, so I was thrilled.

Then he started calling me everyday, leaving his contact info and to call him back ASAP.

They wanted to swindle me some more. They actually were going to get me into more debt if I would bite the bait. I'm not even sure I could have gotten more money for school. That's the shit that people are pissed about. Willingly destroying financial futures for their own gain.

The arts are very very difficult to succeed in, this is true, but EDMC hides behind their biggest "art" school behind their scam, while they defraud people from their other crappy schools. Argosy, Brown Mackie, and South University have all been found complicit with the same kind of fraud. And they offer courses like Nursing that is in high demand. But the problem is, their nursing programs have been investigated by state nursing boards for cutting corners. At a Brown Mackie location in Phoenix, they were found guilty of using cheap veterinary supplies to teach nursing students how to work on HUMAN BEINGS. Does anyone here want their loved ones cared by a nurse that has been very poorly trained and taught with tools meant for animals? These students were found to be so poorly educated by their school, that the state had to hire psychiatrists to help these students deal with the lack of teaching for the nursing exam. And that is just this year! EDMC is still up to their old tricks, it's why they are on the Department of Education's Heightened Cash Monitoring List among other horrible for-profits...

@Anonymous185878 at what point did I say there wasn't a lazy student at Ai? I was responding to a teacher who commented a few posts down in regards to my comment. I'm not even sure any of us know who we are commenting to anymore.

@833, you are off hour rocker. If you read what I wrote. I feel bad for those who were scammed, worked hard and now have loans. Read buddy don't skim and assume. You are a moron to deny that you did not sit next to a lazy student at some point in your Ai career, those are the ones I attacked in my post. Those are the ones that need a reality check.

I don't think all of the instructors were bad. I had a few I truly respected and wanted their approval and worked to create good work. I think many of the instructors were frustrated or over worked, and some of that lead to bad teaching. They couldn't teach or focus on what they deemed important, thus they couldn't weed out students. The school wouldn't allow that. EDMC was in the business of making money. I know there were shitty teachers, but there were good ones. So, don't think grads are knocking the whole when we know a few bad apples spoils the bunch.

I think the same can be said for students, but with Ai skewing everything in their favor - mainly for profit - they ruined it for everyone. Now, grads and dropouts face the same discrimination with employers. That is the only concrete truth. Employers scoff and laugh at Ai on any resume. Again, let your skill and experience speak.

Lets talk about the word "LAZY" for a minute, for those ass wipe know-it-all's who are flinging it around at people who were intentionally duped by corporate whores!

Some of us enrolled in school, took on 5-6 classes a quarter, made it to our 7:30am classes for four hours each, took on each instructor's work load, endured sleepless nights working on worthless projects,read the chapters took tests, passed the classes!

HOW IS THAT BEING LAZY!!!

We worked part/full time and went to school full-time, we did unpaid internships, we did unpaid freelance work to beef up our portfolios, we sacrificed friends, we sacrificed relationships, we sacrificed summers, we sacrificed working for more money, we sacrificed attending a REAL college, we sacrificed having money to dress better, we had to sacrifice entertainment!

HOW IS THAT BEING LAZY!!!

We made it to the finish line, we recreated work to include in our portfolios, we prepared our portfolios, we endured truthfully honest critiques, we improved our portfolio based on those critiques, we came up with a concept for our showcase booth, we created our showcase booth, we presented our work to potential employers, we sold ourselves and our work!

HOW IS THAT BEING LAZY!!!

Despite Ai's false promise of "Job Placement", we did our own footwork, we found our own leads, we made the calls, set up our own appointments, polished our portfolios, rehearsed for interviews, made it to various interviews, were laughed at and humiliated at interviews for attending Ai, got back up, shook ourselves off, did it all over again and again!

HOW IS THAT BEING LAZY!!!

Some of us had to reinvent ourselves, jump back into school, start over, learn a new trade, accrue more debt, find unrelated work, pay our bills, START PAYING OUR STUDENT LOANS, graduate again, look for leads...again, attend more interviews...again, until finally with no help from Ai...SUCCESS!!!

HOW IS THAT BEING LAZY!!!

Now we're getting married, starting families, improving ourselves professionally, learning about what got us here, EDMC fraud, Ai deceptive recruitment practices, asking questions, researching, reading, inquiring about solutions, consulting with lawyers, meeting fellow fraud victims, creating groups, getting the word out, helping others, following lawsuit verdicts, fact checking, writing politicians, signing petitions, mobilizing, planning protests, making signs for protests, creating fliers for protests, sacrificing time with family to attend these protests, standing on our feet for hours in the sun during protests!

HOW IS THAT BEING LAZY!!!

We're not "LAZY"...we're f***ing EXHAUSTED!!! So take that, Mr. "4¢ - Anonymous185665" with your bullshit rant! Grammar criminal! You're so LAZY, you forgot to use "Spell Check"! We're not whining for a dream job or our money back. We've earned it! We've complied 100% with Ai's demands and they have scammed us and failed us!

So next time you want to call protesters or victims of corporate scams LAZY, consider these words in its place: SELFLESS, WISE, HARDWORKING, CARING, SMART and HARDENED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To be fair, if you take a student who is already proficient in art and the design/audio cpu programs and throw them into a school which also caters to complete novices who are chasing a dream, there is a likely chance, that perhaps, despite your best efforts, some students may have not learned a whole lot (although I am sure they gained some valuable things from you). That is a huge problem with the schools. The students who are relatively advanced already do not gain a whole lot, and conversely, the students who are novices may never develop an eye for aesthetics at all. It leads to a poor education for everyone all around. You underestimate what high schools are teaching these days. Schools with better budgets have Adobe Suite and video classes/Digital design classes.

there were some fantastic teachers at AI, the problem is that in many cases the students are ruined by the unfocused curriculum of the degree. They learn that they like sculpting or audio or animation- too bad, take these 20 other classes that have to do with art but do not help you focus whatsoever. the Port I and II classes were jokes and students go into the industry totally unprepared for real world situations.

Again, there were some fantastic teachers. Also some terrible teachers who had industry experience BUT absolutely no patience or idea how to help others learn. In either case the programs are the real problem. They take people who have an interest in games, movies, animation, etc and give them a buffet style learning program that gives at best a fundamental overview. If they are to succeed they need to look into external programs like Gnomon, Animation Mentor, or others.

I feel bad for the good teachers because they do the best they can but they are still working for a terrible place that has turned into a corporate greed machine instead of an educational leader.

I'm not defending AI but as a former instructor I do take issue with the "I learned nothing" comments from graduates. I put my heart into my classes. I don't agree with what edmc has become but I know that I am a part of many success stories. I don't work at an Ai now but when I did I gave 100 percent.

Again, nobody is out there stating we have no jobs. We do have industry jobs. In fact, we got them after dropping Ai from our resumes and letting our portfolios speak for themselves. Our entire point is to give students both sides of the story. They get Ai's marketing and lies, and we are there to counter that with information. I don't know where everyone is getting this idea that we have no skills or are lazy, because we certainly are not. We work our Monday-Friday positions and then choose to educate prospective students and fight corruption on the weekends, which is quite the opposite of the lazy Saturdays most people choose to spend. We have students who are Ai success stories protesting the schools. They were successful on their own, not because of Ai, yet Ai steals their glory and claims the schools had something to do with that in order to sell the dream to unsuspecting kids, leaving them with a ton of debt, and in most cases, no degree. Students who were success stories were already REALLY good at art and my theory is that they were prayed on so AI could have success stories at all. Why else would they sneakily have students sign away the rights to their work (on a ridiculous and freakishly common basis) and their likeness for promotional materials? Why are people so afraid of the information getting out? Why are you vilifying students and creating this narrative of laziness when many of the protesters have industry jobs and are actually successful, but still unable to pay down loans because of predatory/usurious lending? Why are people afraid of students knowing about the arbitration clauses? We have nothing to gain by protesting the schools aside from the satisfaction of knowing we are doing a good thing and giving information to people who otherwise, likely, would not have it.

I just had to chime in and add my 4¢. I have studio, and its successful in its own right. I used to teach at Ai years ago, when portfolio reviews were mandatory to enter into Media Arts or Game Art Majors. It was nice to see a selection committee of sorts, and yes, we denied some from coming into the following term because they lacked the skills we held as criteria. Over the years, this changed. Money for corporate needs took over, reviews disappeared and students were allowed in with no real basis for skill evaluation, or even idea of what they wanted in a career. "You like God of War" great, sign here! They assumed, many of them, that just being here was enough. Exit portfolios were required to go before full faculty panels. I taught upper level 3D courses and I was the sole portfolio instructor for many years, the panel was a part of our departmental collaboration and major capstone, and employers were invited to attend. It meant something to have your work, as a student, reviewed and critiqued by a respected group of your instructors and professionals. Students in lower level classes would attend, and this opened their eyes to what they would be doing in their senior year. There was collaboration among students and faculty, it was a great time. All this changed, as corporate demanded that more enrollment take priority, more bodies in the class regardless of ability, more fudging of grades to get students through. Yes, it happened, and it was implied in so many words, that if we failed too many, we would be on report. Directors complied more than likey out of fear of losing their jobs. At this point good faculty were leaving, more were being hired in with no terminal degrees and good directors left, to be replaced by corporate puppets. All I can say, is around 5 - 6 years ago, things changed. Reputation is everything.

It used to mean something to be a graduate from Ai. It did at one point mean you put in the time, learned and expanded your horizons artistically and yes, could only graduate with a solid reel/portfolio. When I left, it had disintegrated. Teachers lacked real ability to teach, many sat in the back office drinking the coffee service that the campus provided, and talked on their phone for hours while their classes did video tutorials or had open lab. Unreal!

Admissions was bringing in droves of wide eyed delusional new recruits, and the reputation of the graduate reel lost its esteem. I won't look at Ai reels anymore, unless recommended by someone directly who has seen the work first hand. I just don't trust that these students have the focus, skill base or reality checks needs to work in the high paced, over pressure studio that I own, or that the industry demands. Ive hired some in the years since, and they all were fired within 3 to 4 weeks, because of lateness, lack of modivation, whining, or inability to show the skill thwy claimed to or their reel possesed. Who did the work then, I would think, since this candiate clearly lied on his resume or stole work for his reel!

It takes more than passion to work in Visual Arts, it takes responsibility, self motivation and the ability to think outside the box, and yes people skills - you work with a team, not just yourself. Most Ai students just don't have these, and it pains me to see what once was a wonderful institution of artist growth and learning, twisted and molded into what's its now become.

For protestors, all I can say is you took a bite of the new EDMC Ai corporate candy and you have now learned the hard life lesson of due your research before buying I to anything. For those that do have skill, passion and drive, and got a bad education despite trying to get the most from this farce of a place, I feel your pain, and I am sorry that this has happened. A degree in general shows you have completed a big achievement in your life, so in that regard embrace your BFA knowing that you have something of value that reflects this, even if its 95,000. You have it, be proud. Now it's time to retweak and perfect that demo reel/portfolio. It should be updated often, even monthly I'd you do freelance work. Get on LinkedIn, and start looking at sites like Guru for freelance. It's out there, so start looking. Blizzard only has so many open positions, and if they can hire an out of work, yet seasoned artists, yep, that's who they will bring in. These artists are willing to negotiate their pay in this tough market. Why would I hire someone new when I can hire a well know artist with a great reel who is hungry for work (just like you)and is open to the same pay rate, or just a little more! Also, FYI, we all paid our dues in some form or another, worked hours of unpaid internship work, client work that took longer than the contractual bid rate, etc. So learn to cope with the industry you picked, and remember, always, why you loved it in the first place so you can weather this industries storms. You can work in it, but it take brow sweat, some Ramon noodle lifestyle and determination to sometimes land that full-time job at a studio. It's part of the life in VFX, Fim and Games. (A killer Portfolio and willingness to work with the team are 100% your ONLY calling cards to these possible open doors).

For those protestors who are pissed that they learned nothing, I recommend you re-read my comments above. Life hands you nothing. EVER. No one denies that this place must be restructured, I'd not, shut down. But own it! Did you really just do the in-class assignment and expect to master this craft? Did you bitch when your teacher gave you a low grade, and asked you to redo it? Did you bother to really look at your own work and try to improve? Did you visit game and cg studios to ask personal questions about what they look for, or even read the critique that you may have received from a company on why your work is not suitable? If yes, did you make an effort to improve, look at your industry competition and really try to gain the skills you needed? School can only do so much, and even in a bad one. You can and must be a self learner. So you got a shitty degree from a campus thats past its prime! Great, now it's time to sure, join the lawsuit, but get Woking on WHAT YOU will do to make a demo reel that stands out and gets you on your way. Lazy is no excuse, and the industry does not like martyrs.

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This whole situation is really sad. I knew students at Ai who were simply in school for housing. I also knew students who were there to improve their lives and follow something they found exciting. Unfortunately the arts are very very difficult to succeed in. There is a massive supply of labor, and not many positions, and you really have to be dedicated and good to do well. Almost nobody at Ai is willing to put in the work, largely because they don't even know the extent of what they need to do. Faculty are worn down to a nub because they have to constantly lower their expectations to keep the system flowing. Its a disaster. A sad sad disaster and EDMC should be made to pay defrauded student's loans back.

The problem with The Art Institute is that they keep feeding students a load of crap about if they just work hard, they will get the job they want. Sorry but you left out the most important thing in that equation, talent. You are either born with this or you are not. All a school can do is help you fine tune the raw skills into a better artist. You cannot teach talent and this is something Ai does not want to talk about. ALL real art schools require an impressive portfolio just to get in the door. Ai does not do this because they know they would have to turn away 90% of their financially qualified students. Real schools dont have a problem with this. They routinely turn away the vast majority of students so the the real talent can rise to the top and shine without being held back by unmotivated dead wood. That is way alumni from RISD, Cal-Arts and Art Center College of Design go on to be big game changers in the real world and most Ai grads end up as greeters at Walmart.

I also can confirm game companies will hire without a college degree. Talent, is what we look for and the portfolio either shows this or it does not. The degree is second or third on the list of things to consider. It shows that the potential employee can at least make a long term commitment of several years. However, it can work against you. As the other post noted, iTT and Ai are bottom tier graduates from the few we decided to see. Hate to break the news to you but the world is not fair. We only hire cream of the crop because we have so few positions available compared to the thousands of resumes and demos we get each month.

EDMC has been investigated by the SEC, the DoJ, the DOE, CFPB, and 17 State Attorney Generals. Some here are acting like EDMC is no different then other colleges. The graduation rates, cost, job placement rates, and a huge percentage of students not making as much as a High School degree were all lies the students were told. That's called fraud buddy, and it's illegal even. Many whistleblowers have come forward and told a loads of damning evidence against them. I myself was even charged for classes a full year after I left, and they even admitted it, and paid back the DoE for it. There are kids that are getting back ledgers and transcripts with clear fraud on them. If EDMC has nothing to hide, fine, get rid of the Arbitration Clause then, and we'll see how long these shady slimes on Satan's dick last in the "Free Market." Some of you are talking about these students having entitlement issues? What in the Holy Mother of God are you talking about? John McKernan, a former Republican Governor from Maine, was CEO of EDMC and used his political clout to let EDMC get away with murder, his wife was a senator that lobbied for him. Todd Nelson, the CEO after him, was sued by the Federal Government personally for millions of dollars in 2003 when he CEO'd University of Phoenix. EDMC hired him after that, so, seriously you corrupt assholes on this thread, entitlement for being defrauded? These EDMC bastards LIVED and CONTINUES TO LIVE on Government money, and the students are entitled?!? Give me a break, you guys are cronies, plain and simple, you condone fraud lies, then blame the students. I hope sinkholes swallow you whole directly to hell. They take advantage of disabled people and vets, and they STILL DO IT after being called out for it on PBS Frontline, NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX, CNN, MSNBC, and pretty much every newspaper in America. The cat is out of the bag, and if you harass these students any longer, I swear, I will track down your IP address, come to your house, and beat your face in.

For George: http://lifehacker.com/5972649/how-denial-negatively-affects-your-choices-and-what-you-can-do-about-it