Why are young degreed folks still at NOV over those of us seasoned veterans with several years of manufacturing experience . Those that barely or never took vacations, were on time and committed their all to everything over folks with degrees
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Graphs and dashboards with bogus numbers to keep the butt lickers employed.
NOV seems to like bullshit graphs and dashboards more than engineering excellence and ability
NOV seems to like bullshit graphs and dashboards more than engineering excellence and ability
LMAO!!!! Anon 174096, that was funny!
And then gallons of lemon juice poured over the wounds from the switch. Poor program even more poorly implemented.
Someone in this thread mentioned Achieve? Achieve is a total waste of company time and money. Whoever invented this dead space as a learning tool should be taking out back and whipped with switch.
My former manager is a young degreed, super smart, experienced who was replaced by a manipulating under-handed pathological liar cheating cut throat who's inexperienced, a high school dropout who's dumb, has no degree and no management training or skills. She got that position because someone higher up helped her get there. That's the way it is at NOV. You don't work at NOV. Go back to your own companys forum.
HARD WORKER!!!!! That's a bunch of B.S. Its who you know, I experienced it firsthand..... Been with NOV 13 yrs. in the oilfield almost 26 yrs. I have seen a lot of B.S. and butt kissing in my years. Hard work pays off sometimes..... and trusting in my Savior Jesus Christ. John 14:6 I got replaced by a GREEN HORN who had no experience at all in the oilfield.... his dad was HIGH up in NOV.
This is an intelligent discussion. Anon 173904 is right. Money, layoff numbers and your network are factored into this decision. I strongly believe he who who know thing. Although Companies look better on the outside with fewer layoff numbers while they pay young bloods less than older counterparts. It's better to lay off 5 high earners than 10 of them. Time will tell if it hurts productivity over here.
Anonymous173961, cant come up with your own words huh...lol... Stop copying what others say. I just read "cry me a river..." In another post way before you copied those same words here...
What you talking about 173876 and 173904 and making a case for......... You obviously do not work at NOV and have no clue what you're talking about. Everyone knows it's all about who you know, not what you know here at NOV. You could be the dumbest inexperienced & still hold a managers position in this company. Come on! Who you trying to fool?
Cry me a river filled with bloody tears ....
- Money has a lot do with it. 2. Employees who have family & close friends are less likely to be laid off 3. Don't matter if you're a high school drop out, have a diploma or hold a certificate or degree. 4. No experience or training required if you're related to a manager or a close friend of a manager. 5. Must be a follower, question nothinh and show no leadership in order to stay enployed at NOV. That's the way it is & that's the way it has always been at NOV.
The last TWO Presidents of Rig did not and do not have Degrees. That's right, just worked their way up. It's about who you know and how to navigate the political sharks and not get eaten. Once you get to a point of prestige there they will send you to get an Executive MBA at Harvard regardless of your college experience.
Not convinced, I 2nd that! Managers here in this department were moved up because of their friends who helped them and they helped their family members by giving them a position at NOV. Its true. It's who you know, not what you know. The majority of those still here are related to the managers. Those who were laid off refused to bow down and suck up to management.
I too believe a degree has anything to do with it. At NOV is about who you know not what you know or how many degrees you have. If you have family or friends that will help you up the corporate ladder, then you're in. I hold no degree and made it into my manager position because of who I know. I worked in retail prior to NOV. My very first position at NOV was in manufacturing then transferred into corporate eventually into a managers position. I had minimum experience, no management training skills, no management experience and no degree. It's because of who I know. That's how you move up in this company and why you're not laid off. Also, I had to stroke a lot of egos and kiss up to make things happen. So no, I don't agree with your degree thing. As a matter of fact, I highly doubt those on this thread talking about your degrees and training are even a NOV employee.
Not sure who said it, but it is about the money. Why employ one at $120k when you can get two at $50k each. That is the truth. Less payroll and layoff numbers don't look as bad. NOV is not the only company and O&G is not the only industry that does this. Sorry but we are not in the 90s any longer and degrees matter in industry, I saw the writing on the wall in the early 2000s and went back to school to get my degree, did I have to, not at all. Did it get me a promotion, it did not. Did my manager know, not until about two months ago and he had us complete the experience and education memo, bingo I still have my job and he doesn't. Right or wrong degrees matter.
The justification is that technology advances and marketplace changes are happening fast. Employees, regardless their age, need to stay atop the changes and make sure they have the right training and education for the jobs available. NOV has numerous opportunities available in Achieve. When was the last time you used it? I maintain that any company, particularly, is better off by discovering potential stars (over self-perceived superstars) and pairing them with mentors in a team thereby creating a healthy environment that allows and encourages them to grow. We'll keep them as long as they have respect for everyone, committed and appreciative and willing to learn.
When someone is this eager and excited to excel, and is given the environment to thrive in, miracles transpire. New blood, whether young or old, can bring fresh ideas and perspectives to old problems.
I dont believe degree has anything to do with it. It's all about who the manager can manipulate into submission and easy to control. As far as attitude and rebellious, what you're really saying is, you don't want smart people to challenge you or question anything because theres potential there and fear them taking your manager job. After all it's all about job security, right? You prefer yes-man and followers rather than someone shows real leadership. That's why you retarded losers who are managers lay off the smart people instead of the young and nieve.
Bottom line: Not only NOV. Other companies on this forum too.
Your layoff is all about $$. Your age and experience has little to do with it. Makes no sense to keep one employee making $120,000 over two youngies making $50,000 each. More could be done using two people. My guess is that during this industry downtown, young degreed employees would get the chance to improve/ develop skills before the market picks back up.
From a managers standpoint, my decision to lay you off may be due to lack of interpersonal skills, rebellious and disrespectful attitude.
Remember the saying, "the young shall grow". They need opportunities for improvement to develop their potentials. Just like you may have been inexperienced on your first day at work, NOV is investing in its future.
Good Question, I know of several so called degree qualified people who don't have a clue what they are doing when it comes to hands on, time will tell that's all I can say, NOV have problems recruiting people with experience but they're now creating a very bad name for themselves within the core group of employees who actually know whats what in the oil field. other industries are 10 years in advance of NOV when it comes to technology but the managers at the top think that a young gun with a degree knows it all and can bridge that gap, unfortunately it doesn't work like that, time is money so they say.
Because this isn't a union. Seniority doesn't promise you anything.
Because you make more.