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UKG is putting employees on PIPs so they can fire them

UKG is giving out PIPs that are impossible to recover from. This seems to be a way for them to terminate employees they think are too expensive to keep. Very sad to see this once great company as the unethical, greedy, money grubbing monster it's become.

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Post ID: @OP+1ventUa3

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For the people that went through this, any tips for someone on the bubble?

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Post ID: @bcp+1ventUa3

For the couple people who had a question for me..I hear this is happening in Epic, but I saw it happen in support. One person was hitting their metrics but was told they were underperforming with extremely unclear goals to obtain to make a correction (probably because the person was not underperforming in the first place and had been targeted for some other reason)

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Post ID: @Qpfe+1ventUa3

The reason for this is that they do not want present Ukrewers to get promoted and accompany their old team.

Recall that all promotions were halted in 2020, and internal titles were given additional levels in anticipation of advanced positions. For instance, there are four stages that a junior to a manager may experience: junior, senior, lead, and manager. They now have seven layers instead of four, and they must perform very well.

Consider this: it could take you seven years to become a manager if you are a superstar when you first start working as a junior. Congratulations! You can now retire as a Senior Director. Furthermore, a junior to a manager postion, that pay would rise by 20% over the course of 7 years rather than 4. It's absurd.

More worst, additional roles were then developed, added, and introduced, even from other MBA companies: manager > senior manager > assistant manager > a more senior manager to oversee other managers. In addition to managers, there are VPs, senior VPs, xVPs, EVPs, directors, senior directors, and so forth.

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Post ID: @Kssi+1ventUa3

Given the direction PW/UKG gave to managers circa 2021 to suppress annual review ratings for high performers, this is 100% on brand.

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Post ID: @Ilxq+1ventUa3

When you are rated as exceeded expectations and only get a 2% raise due to tight budgets, might as well be a PIP.

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Post ID: @Hsze+1ventUa3

PIP stands for performance improvement plan. It’s like a formal way of saying you have x amount of days to fix whatever and if you don’t you’re pretty much fired. A very unfortunate thing

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Post ID: @Hdbq+1ventUa3

My manager verified this is indeed happening for some but not all teams. Its unfortunate managers are being put in this position.

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Post ID: @Hqos+1ventUa3

What is PIP?

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Post ID: @Hafd+1ventUa3

Is this across the board for all departments or is it certain teams dealing with this more than others? I need to know if I should start looking elsewhere now?

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Post ID: @Gyhu+1ventUa3

This happened to a bunch of people and it’s shameful. Another way to do a layoff without calling it one. Anyone still at UKG should run. The products are unstable, leadership is inept and there’s no real way to right this sh-t.

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Post ID: @Gqhh+1ventUa3

Are annual reviews going bad for a lot of ppl?

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Post ID: @Ghnj+1ventUa3

This is true. It happened to me today. I have 24 hours to decide If I want a 45-day PIP or to take an immediate 5 week separation package.

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Post ID: @yxqu+1ventUa3

Word is managers have a mandate to rate 20% of their employees below average on reviews and another 10% as poor performing with the action to put them on PIP, tell them they can leave with 5 weeks severance or try to “work” out of PIP.

Yep - another UKG “layoff” in action - get those bottom line numbers up for the Equity boys!!

Jump off this train before they push you off - sad to see a great company devolve into this …

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Post ID: @uias+1ventUa3

How do you know this? I have a friend who thinks they’re about to be fired from manager threatening to put them on PIP even though their metrics are average and not bad

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