I see Maxine is officially leaving very soon, what does that mean for Mass Markets? Any one have any insights?
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“That is exactly correct. They have a subscriber base in much denser areas. However, they have exactly ZERO residential hardline customers in lumen territory,
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“To get those customers on their fiber they would in fact have to purchase lumen and their territories.“
- Please cite the FCC rules and regulations that prohibit Verizon from being a Clec in the exchanges where Lumen is the Ilec, because I’d love to show the Regulations to the former Century link fiber splicers who left us to go splice commercial and enterprise fiber for Verizon,
"Verizon has more residential customers just in the 5 boroughs of NYC than Lumen has in its entire 16 states. Verizon is the second most profitable Telecom on the planet. Verizon could purchase lumen and it’s insane debt load twice over, that’s If they wanted to lose money".
That is exactly correct. They have a subscriber base in much denser areas. However, they have exactly ZERO residential hardline customers in lumen territory. To get those customers on their fiber they would in fact have to purchase lumen and their territories. Also, as someone posted earlier about peering..Lumen does not provide peering access to verizon and vice versa. Lumen doesnt have a cellular network. US West pi---d that away 25 or so years ago. So no reason to provide t-t for tat. They do sell access to verizon as well as anyone else who wants to pay for it though.
And yes, as for verizon they are massive provider. The cell service is their gravy train. Without it they would be lumen, or frontier. The people who ran GTE were phenomenally smarter and more forward thinking than those at the end of US WEST and certainly Qwest.
Mass markets will soon be viable again, once the Fed money and contracts dry up! Here's to hoping that the "partnership" funny money comes through and the new $30/mo fiber offering takes hold! Have just 6 more years to go before I call it.
Verizon has more residential customers just in the 5 boroughs of NYC than Lumen has in its entire 16 states. Verizon is the second most profitable Telecom on the planet. Verizon could purchase lumen and it’s insane debt load twice over, that’s If they wanted to lose money.
Lol. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain right? Why hasn’t Verizon placed their fiber network in lumen territory? To the cell sites in lumen territory? To the houses in lumen territory? They were a decade ahead of centurylink correct? Level 3 sold access on their fiber. Lumen sells access on their fiber. Verizon sells access on their fiber. They all sell access. The fact you think any company can just place it wherever they want and use it or just use their own fiber for interconnecting to another company’s network is mo--nic. You’re no wizard. Just a creepy guy peeking out behind a curtain.
OH, silly child,
Lumen may be the largest owner of Fiber in the continental United States, but it hardly has a corner on the market, there is a utterly ridiculous amount of fiber in the ground and more is going in every day! The idea that Verizon communications has no enterprise capabilities is staggering, considering Verizon was offering residential fiber to the home nearly a decade before CTL,
THE WIZARD HAS SPOKEN!
But indulge me oh great wizard of modern telecommunications. How will Verizon haul that data without a backbone?
PEERING: is a voluntary interconnection of administratively separate Internet networks for the purpose of exchanging traffic between the "down-stream" users of each network. Peering is settlement-free, also known as "bill-and-keep" or "sender keeps all", meaning that neither party pays the other in association with the exchange of traffic; instead, each derives and retains revenue from its own customers.
An agreement by two or more networks to peer is instantiated by a physical interconnection of the networks, an exchange of routing information through the Border Gateway Protocol (BGP) routing protocol
Sure. You think Verizon will haul data on their cellular network. Correct? They don’t have satellites. It’s not on coax or twisted pair. Sooo…hmmmmmm…how does that data just appear somewhere? Do you think maybe it’s backbone is fiber to cell towers?
But indulge me oh great wizard of modern telecommunications. How will Verizon haul that data without a backbone?
How exactly will Verizon haul data and att operate in lumen regulatory regions?
Tell me you don’t know anything about the modern telecommunications business , with out telling me you don’t knows anything about the modern communications business.
“Mass Markets is a dying silo, and fiber has limited revenue ability. Verizon will take over on hauling data, and AT&T will connect people. There's no good path for Lumen”
Limited revenue ability? How exactly will Verizon haul data? On trucks? So in your scenario Verizon will somehow manage to move data freely on another companies fiber network and then hire att to connect an end user. But they will do it just to lose money because there’s limited revenue in fiber. I’m really curious how this works out. How exactly will Verizon haul data and att operate in lumen regulatory regions? And whatever your answer is…using the same reasoning your going to make up…what would stop lumen from doing that in Verizon and att territory?
Nepotism is still alive and well here, no matter what the company name is or how hard any has worked. You will only move up by who you know, not what you know. Has been that way for years, and that ain't a changin'
Mass Markets is a dying silo, and fiber has limited revenue ability. Verizon will take over on hauling data, and AT&T will connect people. There's no good path for Lumen.
Why does anyone stay? Employment contract, retirement timing, etc. May as well collect a paycheck for six months.
It’s unfortunately politics and folks wanting to bring buddies in the higher ranks. Sadly you will see some folks who really cared and gave it all be let go. Some promotions are already predetermined no matter how hard you work a certain buddy is already pegged for the job
“Maxine was put out to pasture months ago with her "promotion".
Pushed or jumped? Writing on the wall was clear either way.“
If that’s completely true, Then what was the point to having her just sit in isolation, in her office for the last 6 months? She could have just as easily left last June, when her Day to day duty’s were absorbed!
Maxine was put out to pasture months ago with her "promotion".
Pushed or jumped? Writing on the wall was clear either way.
Some in SLT read the last chapter ahead of schedule, or was there some new scribble on the wall that just went up, or did the fat bonus package come to fully vested state? Why would Maxine leave?
Wouldn't be surprised if they sell off Mass Markets. Former CenturyLink CEO Glen F. Post has a new company called PhireLink, he might be able to buy it.
Last of the CTL execs. Notice that WG isn't getting bumped upstairs.
I'm sure a few more "top people" will make an exodus as well