Word on the street is SMs and CMs will eventually be coming into office, two weeks a monthnit seems. It will be trickling down to the rest of us in due time. Don't know about ya'll but I ain't coming into the office, they were pushing it with even one week. Management is crazy.
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I have to laugh at the horrible culture there at SF. All these polished videos c. 2024 about fabulous career opportunities in underwriting, remote culture, etc. Then, swindlers atop the corporate structure, do an about-face with the RTO, on-site zealots, cutting WFH by half. Then, a blame game projected from incompetent underwriting policy to claims management? Newsflash: claims doesn't write the business; it works with brokerages to mitigate losses while upholding contracts. Where was the appropriate risk management in the first place? The entire insurance industry is struggling under the weight of its own mimicry of the financial system. I would never work for SF.
It's in Kalifornia....who cares?
but then H5N1 Bird Flu enters the chat...
SF should cut all the expenses and secure as many write offs it can to reduce costs to its consumer and secure market share. If that means losing employees by bringing them back into the office so be it. If inventories are low no need to feed fat.
@rbil. You get it. Theyre a ruthless bunch.
More of a way to cull the herd and reduce headcount without layoffs. May lose some top performers but also those who arent the top performers. I’m sure they took this collateral damage into consideration and calculate as net positive.
Get ready to go to work. Back to the office or quit!
@psqc-uou are uniformed. Farney is finance and underwriting not a lawyer.
They will maximize profit by running the least possible employee expense and increase write offs. Sounds like those WFH will go into office or lose their job. Best way to cut costs. Fast and efficient.
W. H. Knight Jr. who is the new chairman of the board.....and don't forget the useless CEO who is a bean counting accountant! A Lawyer, Accountant, and two SF Agents.....what could go wrong with that???? It sounds like the bad joke it is!
@pedu- what attorney is running the company?
They are definitely gaslighting everyone. Hopefully you saw the email on Friday about all new hires, after Jan 1, have to be in the office full time for basically their first year. Space, there is plenty of space as there are completely empty floors that are not being used. Everyone keeps forgetting that most folks in U/W are going to have to either work in claims or get their severance. They are moving a ton of work over to Prop-Complex, my bet is they are going to combine Express and ILR and do away with 30%-40% of those people including leaders. The problem with the Execs is they do not realize all the propaganda they are putting out is just a bad punch line to a joke or a TikTok video. They live in a bubble world not knowing all their tactics have been exposed long long ago and no one takes them seriously. People just laugh, say just sc--w it and find better ways to circumvent their BS. When you have a mor-n attorney and two former agents running the company it is doomed to fail!
at first i figured this is gaslighting bs , and honestly i am not convinced this is real as others have said there is no room, as it is its fully packed, all it would take is for someone's PC to not work or internet to go out to go back to office on a week they are not supposed to and then they have problems finding the person room to sit on, this is due to all other buildings being sub-leased to other companies , now increasing it 2 weeks is not feasible unless they pick on specific segments to make it work somehow but still it wont work there is no room and the departments are not even fully staffed due to all the constant attrition, so for those reasons i am leaning towards not happening , things could change however as of now unless something more concrete develops i call this gaslighting.
one final point, it is true they are trying to get rid of the employees with pensions, so watch your back , they will gaslight you , they will make up things to build occurrences that lead to drop files that will lead to a shield, they are taking it slow to ensure it wont be too obvious but already i seen it happen way more than normal attrition and lots of the employees I know and know their quality of work, so watch your back cover your a-s and if they start trying to gaslight you i recommend you look for something else and leave with dignity, prob next 6 months they will ramp up their quiet lay offs and make working there a living he-l to get you to leave or stealthily fire people slowly but faster than normal attrition.
Stupid to say work from home employees don't understand working in an office or that only loosers won't return to office. I have been with SF over 35 yrs. No office for us to return to. Love working from home and would never go back into an office being in the retirement age now. Lots of folks won't go back into an office for a company that cares so little about its employees. They closed 12 operation centers and sc--wed folks over not to mention it dept, etc. Why move for a company like that. I hope we get severences and soon. They should just severence out all work from home employees and go ahead and pull the trigger and move all into the hubs already. They keep telling us in one breath how we are needed then in the next that eventually all jobs will be in the hub.
Laughing hysterically at the comment where anyone who works from home can't handle customers or co workers. I worked in the office for 6 years before they made us go to WFH. I've gotten 4/5 ratings EVERY YEAR since then. So you know what, stop spreading false BS just cause you su-k at your job and hate going into an office.
The only people who will quit due to return to office are the losers who originally worked at Walmart or the gas station. Everyone else has bills to pay and it’s going to be hard finding a job that pays more for an entry level id--t.
Lets get something straight to always remember: If State Farm can in anyway sell you out to put a dollar in their pocket or gain an advantage over you, consider it done. If you believe their ethics are what they say they are, you are a 100% full blown fool. Trust none not one of them. Always keep an ace in your back pocket, work a second job to CYA. I did it for over 30 years. This advice has given me good returns.
"Word on the street"? What street would that be? You're WFH, and probably don't even know who your coworkers are at this point. You're not socializing with them. You wouldn't know or recognize them even if you did run across each other out in public.
"Word on the street", in this context, just means "stuff I'm making up as a pretense for my chronic complaining".
What are 2 big expenses that can be cut that are excess fat to any household? Taxes and Insurance. Long overdue.
What are 2 big expenses that can be cut that are excess fat to any household? Taxes and Insurance. Long overdue!
All those that WFH have ZERO clue on how to work with internal nor external customers personally. Fine examples of the d-mbing of America. Sad! Bring them all back into the office and work together. Theyre being robbed of learning.
All these jokers who say they wont go back in the office sound like govt employees. Lets see what happens to them. If SF is smart, theyll get ahead of that curve. Dont think for a minute its a space/real estate issue. SF watches the govt curves hint hint.
this guy, the OP and a majority of the responses (same guy) has been posting this kind of stuff for years now.
We dont have the office space for full office. Claims/UW/Care Center are critically understaffed with a new workforce every 6 months.
We couldnt if we wanted to, most of our hub space is sublet out to other companies. Please OP, get over whatever this company did to you a decade ago. Im betting its an agent who was awful and remove.
As long as your employer flies around in 50 million dollar jets, preaçhes about cutting costs, involved in RICO and pays 250 million to get out of it, cuts your benefits, takes huge bonuses,and so on what do you expect? Ask yourself: Are those my shared values? Should I trust them? Do I believe all they tell me? Most reasonable people would say no!
Good point as Progressive is growing 6 times as fast as State Farm, doubled their U/W profit and we are missing our growth goal by almost a million autos. Exec always has to try to find a scapegoat and will throw the employees under the bus. I'm in Auto U/W and people haven't really realized automation is going to do away with their jobs over the next year. Some will be absorbed but most will be shown the door or moved over to claims. The house cleaning has just begun!
@cmbt.......at least include a disclaimer stating "opinion piece from a disgruntled minnion."
Yes in 2025 all employees will be going back into the office. This is part of their plan to create additional attrition (layoffs) and make people leave or retire earlier than they planned.
They are going to start buying out PTO so employees do not have time to find another job or do the usual ADA/FMLA to look for another job/game the system.
Your pension is going to be frozen or bought-out. They want tenured employees to leave! Hence all the outside hiring for leadership roles.
Execs are starting to lose their minds because SF will become the #2 Auto insurer the 3rd quarter of 2025. MT left them a pile of junk and ran with his $100+ million!
They are already blaming 1st and 2nd line leaders and employees in claims for this disaster. Everyone knows the agency expense is sending the company into the ground.
If SF wins it's the Execs/agents, if SF looses it is the employees and TM/SMs fault.
Your EIP is going to be half of what is was last year or maybe even less.
The pandemic only delayed the fall, continued race to the bottom and gave MT time to run out the door!
2025 will be the year from ....... Get ready, I would look for another job because it is going to get really really bad!
I hope they send them back in the office. They would learn how many substance abusers they employ.
"word on the street" = "ive been trying to gaslight this on this forum for the last 5 years"
anyway if they forced back into office id just go join Progressive or something, not a huge deal.
Get em all into the hubs. The government is doing it to control expenses. SF should too!
It's humorous to watch you all lament that this company isn't what it used to be.......while trashing the people, policies and procedures that made it what it used to be.
Wrong. I'm definitely out if they increase back to office.
Nobody is going quit just because they are forced to return to the office. It will be just like all the celebs who said the would move out od the US if Trump is elected.
great so now instead of 1 unproductive week they want 2?
because no work gets done in office, everyone chit chats and such just like it used to be pre covid...TMS are the biggest time wasters and then they waste employee time but striking up conversations sometimes up to an hour ...then comes the SM does the same or they all hang out and have a party loud enough to bother everyone, i said this before and i will say this again i am out if this gets announced, good luck to them, they will need it.
Long ovedue. Welcome to the real world cupcakes.
It's not word on the street, it is fact. The email went out to all management last week to also include newly promoted TMs have to be in office 2 weeks per month as well.
Its just work.
Rumor has it you heard this from someone else that also has no clue.
That would be a very bad idea. One of the only things SF has to draw in people is a real hybrid setup. Nudging toward full time office? No.