You all should check out the Beijing auto show on YouTube. US vehicles are 5 years behind the Chinese in design and technology.
It's time for American to learn from the Chinese on how to design vehicles.
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@1evy+1snq4cbw of course they can make lower starting prices. get rid of the useless flapdoodles in vehicles and broom out the bureaucracy instead of the good engineers.
You all are a bunch is stupid Americans thinking that you are better than other companies in other countries. Wake up. Those days are over. 20 years ago American made products are great, and now no one in other countries want to buy American made cars anymore. Expensive, unreliable, inefficient, outdated, poorly designed, poorly engineered, and just ugly. Sorry, but it's the facts.
OP: per your suggestion, I looked at one of the videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoCgiJNJ_Ls
I must say I will never buy a Chinese brand, but I suspect many will. Unless the big 3 can do a drastic design and quality + low starting price, I have a feeling that the big 3 will end with just two or one US OEM.
If that were true, their vehicles would not look like ours! They steal our designs and technology.
Globalism the great destroyer
Ford Design Studios are the ultimate old boy network of losers. Lead by an id--t from Renault, a director that was responsible for the Pontiac Aztek and the best brown nosers in the business. Lincoln has never looked so pathetic, yet no one is held accountable.
Time to clean house.
@1mwy+1snq4cbw saw a new Hyundai Santa Fe yesterday. It was a "Whoa Dude" moment.
https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/vehicles/santa-fe
these are like Ohio built Honda Accords hitting us in '85
if they aren't good, they sure look good!
Mr Ford's gonna have another crisis on his hands soon.
Following your logic and looking at the quality/reliability of Ford vehicles, all US born Ford employees are not the best and brightest.
and as sc--w-ed as we are, I can no longer justify myself buying anything from big three, the product quality eventually declines to a level I cannot put up with. I only see really older Chinese cars and Russian cars worse than this when I am alive.
I guess I will keep driving my Miata, Solara and Packard (replacement to Fleetwood) in the coming years without clear plan to change. (I might be stuck with Packard as much as the Generals from Moscow with those boxy convertibles on Victory Day parade. There is simply no similar replacement anymore)
Yet, I refuse to buy, or use Chinese cars in any circumstance, it is a more lethal enemy than Russia. I know both too well. (all Chinese cars are in my blacklist, something Russian cars aren't. I only refuse to take Yakovlev for transportation due to their appalling safety record) But of course, just like with the enemy, I always keep an eye on them and occasionally I drive a few when I can, so I will be alerted. But too bad, most people are too deaf and blind.
And indeed, when the product is in the next level, no one cares if people get randomly ki-led, customers will still buy/use them. It reminds me of Tupolev Tu-104 (something even worse than horrible DC-10 or Tu-154, maybe Yak-42 too) , and it is a phenomenon I never understand. Can anyone explain?
Either way, we are sc--wed.
As for why the best engineers from China have moved to the us and they still make better cars? You have to consider the relentless pressure due to competition.
It is still more forgiving than Beria telling Tupolev either make the dive bomber or be executed as counterrevolutionary... There is a huge room to decline for those people but we have run out of roads
Lots of reasons the a Chinese car costs less; as long as your youtubing Chinese vehicles check out the 1000's of evs the self ignite every year, the airbags that don't go off and the fine service networks. If you live in a Mexican village, don't drive more than a few miles now and then a golf cart will work just fine. So will a tuk-tuk. 5 years behind, that's pure BS. It's the other way around.
I can remember when Hyundai and Kia were constantly blasted as junk, yet they're a mainstay in America today. Tesla is also poor quality, but guess what? They get away with it because they're leaders. They choose their own path, they're different, and people like it ... including Ford executives and engineers who literally salivate over their products when they get their hands on one. Tesla is doing their own thing. Are they benchmarking Ford? If they are, it's probably the service manual or something like that, because odds are, whatever Ford is doing is probably a version of something someone else originally did. Ford is so busy following and reacting to what everyone else in the industry is doing, they really have no business criticizing their competitors. Besides, Ford is embracing LCC's, which means their products are eventually going to be manufactured by the same low cost labor many in this forum are criticizing. Don't forget that Ford is also THE leader in the U.S. for recalls by a significant margin?
The real wealth of the automotive industry to a nation is the parts manufacturing. We’ve already ceded that to LCCs decades ago. First to Japan, now to China.
I keep hoping that one day the people of China will rise up and demand the government back off and let them prosper like Japan, S. Korea and Taiwan.
Most of the parts Ford uses come from China already. Why do the Chinese need Americans to assemble them?
That’s surprising since the top Chinese engineers have emigrated to America.
I mean, that’s what they tell us… we’re getting only the best and brightest.
OP, ur post won't be popular here because, although most of us here dislike Ford and probably have never touched a Chinese vehicle, the self-esteem of some of us would react and they would tell you Chinese vehicles are of sh---y quality.
But the trend is inevitable. Chinese vehicles are only getting better, while Ford is flopping. Sure, Chinese vehicles are beautifully designed with assumably poor quality, but Fords are ugly with poor quality. Unless our leadership is completely replaced one day.
Ford sold 48,000 vehicles in Mexico in 2023. Chinese sold 274,000 vehicles in Mexico in 2023. In 2024 the Chinese car companies are exporting 500,000 units to Mexico.
The Chinese can manufacture and produce competitive vehicles and sell for $10,000 less than the American made vehicles. Guess what people are buying and driving all I've Mexico now. Chinese cars. American made vehicles are slowly fade away in the next 5 years.
I hate to see this, but this is reality.
Chinese already produced solid state batteries and their EV has 1200km range. The US is still trying to figure out how to make lithium battery and trying to reach 500km range. WTF.
If Chinese vehicles are anything like the Chinese audio and video components that have crossed my repair bench, I'd expect them to be poorly engineered, cheaply built with junk parts, and prone to frequent breakdowns. Not the attributes I'm looking for in a vehicle or any other consumer product.
Maybe this person should move to China!