Some of the problems with Boeing’s 737 Max have been attributed to low cost/quality work outsources to India. Sound familar? How long before there is a Boeing moment to swing the pendulum back?
The current leadership will long be gone and let others holding the bag and paying the consequences.
https://www.businessinsider.com/boeing-outsourced-737-max-report-2019-6
Based on the multitude of errors that I have personally seen from BTC, there must be thousands. All these errors quietly corrected, not documented, and covered up because we are only allowed to wave a glad for the successes coming from BTC.
Seems like a culture that suppresses Near Miss reporting which leads to significant incidents.
The covering up of BTC errors will be a Root Cause. Let’s just hope the event is not Exxon Valdez in magnitude.
For every BTC project error, there are 10 by non-BTC. Just saying for the haters.
You are forbid to question quality of the BTC / MSP. Multiple people have tried and multiple people have been warned that there career will be finished. Any efforts to show reduced productivity is also viewed in a bad light. It’s amazing the analogies with Boeing. Our leadership don’t care about quality anymore; just low cost and then they call poor quality industry standard. It’s scary.
Somebody needs to track all the rework required from the design work coming out of BTC and alert EM Executives before there is nobody left to make corrections and a mass casualty event results.
I have seen absolutely dangerous design decisions come from BTC. EM management forbids tracking rework because does not support their low cost goals.
I suggest we start submitting a “Near Miss” report every time we encounter a mistake from BTC that could have resulted in a potentially fatal failure.
XOM leadership are not listening or wanting to listen. They are just planning the next transformation of removing engineers from sites and transition to India and Malaysia. I just hope regulators are watching.
Adding to the downward spiral is EM starting an oilfield related campus in Bangalore, which is full of computer programmers.
None of our BTC recruits are from Bangalore and EM is only able to attract persons that cannot get a job anywhere else.
Attrition is high because all the qualified people that accept jobs in Bangalore do not want to stay there. Job search starts soon after EM relocated them to Bangalore.
Who was the genius that picked Bangalore?
Don’t worry everything is tickety-boo
@2api+1siddv0A the problem is that we aren't hiring from top schools anymore. We aren't hiring from MIT or Princeton or Stanford. Those students don't even consider working for Exxon anymore because now they know what's happening inside. They know about the layoffs masked as lack of performance. They know they'll be used as PIP material after three years. They know. So they go to other companies. The only new hires you're getting are from second or third tier schools in Louisiana or Mississippi that have no other offers. These people are bottom of the barrel engineers. No surprise they make so many mistakes. This is what you get with Darren and his vision of the company. We don't aspire to be the best anymore just middle of the pack as long as we don't go bankrupt and we return as much money as possible to the shareholders. That's it.
I have to rework many errors of folks who work in my team, whether they are in India or US. That’s my job. And what I see is that there are more errors from my US early career engineers than BTC or KLTC. But the presentations are better by US folks. What they lack in competence is covered by confidence. I am US supervisor just so you know. I know it’s hard to move roles to India and you lose your job, but quality is not an issue. I can now tell all examples of how bad BTC person did to my manager and not tell anything about my US employees, and he would like it. Because she is also like one of the folks in this forum who doesn’t like Indian employees. She once told me it’s our patriotic duty to keep jobs for our countrymen
You misspelled “su-ks”
BTC Rocks!
There is zero data showing BTC deliverables have errors or need rework.
This is because such data does not support the successful shift to low cost engineering in BTC.
EM management sticking their heads in the sand about this topic.
Was in a training with a group of BTC design engineers.
What shocked me and the trainer was when the BTC engineer asked why light material go to the top of the tower and the heavier material is at the bottom.
Folks these are the engineers are the one who will be designing our units.
Like all supervisors in Exxon, they will try to sell as if everything is fine until they move to another role. No failure/ investigation if sh*t happen will point to BTC. That’s our culture.
@syz I’m calling BS. You’re not at a site to appreciate how bad the deliverables are from BTC. Everyone just ass7me that it’s wrong and needs to be reviewed. And the sites have had significant cut backs and told to rely on BTC. Now they are doing double duty trying to handle the 10 gallons of sh$t in a 5 gallon bucket.
And don’t even get me started on the revolving BTC trainees which is just cover for rotating positions which are now permanently staffed by pretend engineers.
What about all the cheap goods in the stores that are made by cheap labor from abroad that you all like to shop for? When are you going to stop that?
I am a Bengaluru supervisor who oversees US work. I need to correct more of their work than other way round.#FactsMatter. No data shown to date that shows Bengaluru is worse than US -None. It’s just your feeling
If people feel resentful, they will not “own” their work - rightfully so. That’s when things become unsafe and our operational excellence tanks. We can’t even get our teeth cleaned properly (2025 here we come). Buckle up.
its already a problem in BMRF
It’s not if, it’s when. There will be a mistake from the BTC and we will have pip all of the experience engineers who would have caught it. It’s a race to the bottom and the sad thing is everyone knows but too scared or are removed from the team.
Technical work from India consistently requires rework in USA to fix major mistakes.
EM Management ignores the rework requirement and attributes final correct deliverables completely to India.
If EM starts accepting work from India without the current screening, then disaster likely.
post script. Excel spreadsheets from India are typically correct first try, unless experience and thought required to put numbers in correct categories.
Bet on it
We are already seeing it with US workers having to rework designs in a timely fashion. So we are under staffed and if it’s not done timely or reported then you are marked a non team player and piped