Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

Don't oversell yourself.

Why would you still want to work there if they RIFd you? Head for greener pastures

So the long post above is mostly accurate, but does have some misleading information in it. Bottom line, you need to talk to people who have an opening. I recommend talking to every manager you know. Even if they don't have an opening, they may know someone else who has an opening. It is possible to get a pay raise while doing a transfer at Oracle. Also, if the person you find needs to create an opening, that will probably require more time then you have, so you may leave Oracle and then get a job offer a month or two later. I wouldn't worry about what your current manager says, just focus on the relationship with the new manager. But that being said, try to be friendly with the current manager, as they may be the one who eventually has an opening. After all, they needed you originally before they lost their headcount, and they may get their headcount back eventually. I would also talk to everyone you know outside of Oracle too, as you never know where you will find an opening.

Managers will always tell you to not burn any bridges, however, some roads are not worth travelling twice!

Your manager may be asked by HR if you should be rehired in the future. Answering No would not be good! I'm not sure if this is done in every country, but it's always best that leave under good terms.

Proof that there still are a few good managers out there, but they have to post on an anonymous board, or find themselves iced out by the majority of their peers.
Thank You!

"Got laid off". If you are still inside Oracle, and you've been given time to find another job, yes, you can be "blackballed" in several ways. The first is the concept of your "headcount" and the budget for your position. If your current position's budget went away, then it would require an open headcount for another internal position, and the budget for that position. If a RIF is going on. The first thing they do is freeze hiring and remove any open headcounts. If you find an internal position, it’s probably a stale posting from before the open headcounts were removed. There is no interface from internal postings to when internal cost centers are told to freeze. There is no process to “remove” what is within the internal job postings. In fact, the opposite is true that applications will continue so that people are in the pipeline when things change.

So the “blackball” will come when no one will try to come up with the money to save you from the RIF since you were put on the RIF list several months ago, and your position was eliminated as the FY budget came together. You were gone long before you ever knew it, and the blacklisting is in the unknown that your business unit knew a long time ago, and never let you know. Even over a year ago!

So back to the internal nature of finding a “non-stale” internal posting. If you find an internal posting, and it’s a true and valid opening, and its in another part of Oracle, yes, you have a chance to get that position. However, it will also come down to the budget of your headcount. Since salaries are all over the place, your potential new manager will have to talk to your old manager, to see where the salary band will be. They may not say specific numbers, but salary ranges will be talked about. Remember, you are being RIF’d and you were offered up to be laid off. To be in that position means that your current manager deemed you redundant or wanted to separate you from Oracle. In these conversations, each manager will talk and “blackballing” can occur.

Its highly unlikely if you find an open position within your business unit for the transfer to work, since you are being laid off. Therefore, no one will make an effort in your current org to justify your staying since you've already been "blackballed" to be put on the RIF list in the first place.

Another method to “blackball” is in a check box in the separation workflow as to “Eligible for rehire”. It’s real. I once had a terrible employee, and I checked it. HR came back and said it would have to be a proven and egregious violation for that to be checked. They made me uncheck it, so that terrible employee could theoretically come back to Oracle. The “blackballing” in that case would require a business unit HR person to agree with the hiring manager to keep the “ineligible for rehire” checked.

Ultimately, an internal position after a RIF at Oracle will require “horse trading”. Either in the form of finding budget for the headcount, transferring the headcount, change in salary band - usually down as Oracle does not do transfers where you make MORE money or other non-documented behind the scenes methods.

So yes. “Blackballing” is a thing, as its probably everywhere in some form.

Finally, it’s impossible to track down how a person ends up on a RIF list because of the crazy internal politics and toxic nature in some places. In that, is also a glimmer of hope. I know of managers (me included) that know who the terrible managers at Oracle are. In some cases, I know a RIF is total BS, and a good person is being lost. Managers like me, scoop those people up, and we get a grateful employee who will continue to do excellent work. Many managers in my situation have zero bias when it comes to honestly looking at a RIF’d candidate either within or recently separated from Oracle. We know good people and we will make the effort to work things out.

Bottom line. “Blackballing” is a thing, but it also doesn’t have to mean anything.

Most likely - No. But if you have been too annoying for whatever circumstances, Yes

Right now, job market is bad, if there are no other options, apply to as many internal Jobs as you can and then switch later.

Can you be, yes!
Likely to be, no!
Depends on your circumstances.

No, but why would you want to stay is the question. Peace and love