I was told our team was about 30 people too “heavy” so Senior leadership have been meeting to restructure and layoff on one of Mouli’s tech pillars- so many folks that do nothing really need to go! I hope they finally clean house with the low performers! Have others heard any other areas being impacted in Jan???
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They should also consider eliminating some VPs that are in the inner circle. Too many of them don’t do $hit to say the least, they are only good at managing up and protecting their turf.
Few 29 and 30 level holding up to the grade to show off!!! Su-king up $$$ You can see who performs at these levels.
I work along side slackers who can’t string together a sentence durning any meeting without a 10 second “ummmm” these people need to go. They are just su-king budget dollars and wasting rrp money.
Does hands-on = control freak ie I am insecure so I try to control everything and don't even let people do their jobs or do you mean, you are an effective leader who enables your staff to do their jobs to their best of their abilities by removing roadblocks, helping set realistic expectations and timelines from customers, provide training opportunities and activiely promote growth even if that growth means to another team, reward and appreciate hard work without being threatened by others or taking credit for others work, foster a team mindset of growth and abundance rather than scarcity, provide constructive feedback that is related to work not a person's personality, delegate effectively so you are not just a contributor with more pay and authority? Because us whiners do not have that kind of manager or leadership. If Optum spent more time vetting and training their leadership then even the substandard employee would be performing to their best of abilities. It's a leadership problem, that is why we are happy to have level 30/31 cleaned out. Next let's move to level 29. 💯x faster
As a hands-on mgr, all you whiners need to go!
I hope the level 30 layoff is not my boss, i am not done watching the live actions drama. I cannot be the only one who feels this way. I used to wish my boss would be fired, like every day because I actually cared about my job and could not handle working for such a mo--n. I have never worked for someone who is this ill equipped to be in their position. I have changed my thought on that. Having a boss who never knows what is going on, never remembers anything and is frequently off doing whatever during the work day = freedom. I used to actively create my own work because I have foresight into what others want to know about the area we support. But after learning that I earn less than everyone else on my team I am expected to mentor (even the non-technical people) , I decided to let the rest of the team do the senior level jobs they were hired for and work the duties assigned to me. I realized a lot of the work I was doing was because none of my team would do anything unless they were told to, despite being aware it needed to be done. Well played team, I caught on and started only doing my portion of the work. My boss is so ineffective and clueless, the work I know still needs to be done always comes up as a big rush and isn't even possible in the time frame left before it is due without working extra hours, sometimes weekends. It isn't my job to delegate but if asked, I always suggest whose job the request should fall to, sorry team, 9 times out of 10, its not me. If it is me, I was already aware it was coming and have a solution available but like to let the tension build so they sweat it out, coming in just under the wire. The urgent thing is always last minute, late in the day due to boss poor time management. Boss doesn't pay attention on meeting it was brought up on most of the time, so it always seems to come out of no where to them. I make sure to answer on teams from my phone for those late day calls and oh shoot I am already gone for the day but could get to it after I know it is due. Usually my teammate who the work belongs to ends up not able to deliver or does but its not accurate because they never actually took the initiative to learned the area we support and I am no longer doing their work for them. This in turn makes my boss and them look stupid over and over to leadership. If my team is let go, I will easily find another job, but watching the events unfold is my new strange addiction. Hope season 2 continues.
I’d love to see HR look more deeply at the feedback about managers. My manager is perfectly nice and knowledge but contributes little to the big picture. Always butting into work they don’t belong in and micromanaging because they have nothing else to do. Many are a roadblock instead of being useful.
I see such conflicting comments here—mentions, for example, the high performer might irritate their manager (though why they still get rated high by that manager, I’m not sure? It’s easy enough to game, for managers) but then also that managers aren’t even told who will be laid off. I feel like cost, demographics, and review metrics (as well as job functions) must be what they use for layoffs, right? So if high performers by REVIEW go, it’s only if their function isn’t as needed and/or they cost more? Not necessarily because of manager choice, or they’d just rate them lower.
If you think it is just low performers who get laid off, you have not been through many rifs. It is also disrespectful to the many high achievers who have been let go and will be let go. Low performers are fly under the radar, but the high achievers can sometimes irritate and annoy their low performing bosses…
I really hope the poster about getting rid of 30/31s is correct. I have a couple I would love to see taken down a peg.
Why do they lay some employees off, but redeploy other employee's?
I work as a SR Director in workforce planning and Layoff's for 2024 are coming down the pipeline. Just in time for company wide payouts. They need to give these poor people notice and not 2 weeks! SMH... Already looking on my end for a new gig UHG/Optum is a mess.
I was a high performer for 9 years and was part of fall layoffs. Don’t fool yourself thinking that hard work and sterling reviews will save your butt.
Maybe we should offshore your role since they are so good.
say what you will about IT offshore mgmt. but my IT offshore co-workers are hard working, care, and are good. my small team does alot of work and anyone who doesn't work hard is let go because we can't afford it. our area is extremely regulated but we don't get the funding with budget cuts and hiring freezes. the fault is the american healthcare that the legislature owns stock in not the offshore worker.
After nearly 14yrs in IT here, what I have learned is that India staff are vocationally trained, yes not all…But most and they’re incredible self promoters who believe Americans just care about friendliness and acquiescence! Maybe they’re right, MN leadership certainly fall for job applicants who claim to walk on water on their resumes and interviews, proving their lack of experience at leading. This is the most top heavy IT organization I have ever seen and I have been part of several large companies. Any Director with less than five direct reports should go, managers with less than 10 direct reports should go, etc! These ratios are the minimum you see in other IT groups but here you have middle managers making big salaries and frankly not earning them, instead they make bad decisions because they are first time leaders. Yeah, time to clean house in management, and HR after they layoff so much staff in recent years!
I’d love for all management roles go through a large audit for unethical treatment, number of HR complaints, deadlines missed and productivity failures. Management is in charge the departments so the failure of a department rest solely on a management level.
Heard alot of grade 30s and 31s are going to be let go. They waited until the new year so they could roll over the tax benefits of severance and of UI.
The real person that needs to go is Sandeep. I don't see him making it until July. Board thinks he's just another Indian scammer more skilled to be in a call center trying to get gift cards out of scared old ladies.
Another brilliant hired by our Chief Sustainability Officer.
Gone are the days of hiding behind convoluted made up metrics! ✌️